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Originally Posted by BrokerOnTilt
I think the AK whiff the flop and then 3 bet is a bad play that has been passed down from fish to fish over the years. I have been guilty of this, "I will force those b@stards to fold through sheer will and brute force."
Eventually with therapy and coaching, I saw it for what it was...a decent bluff catcher. Now I say let them donk their chips off...I am happy to collect when they bet muck the river
I never thought it was about "folding him out anyway". It's about "if he's on a draw, this is cheaper than calling down!", which is an amazing jump from "I can't raise turned TPTK for value" in that both actions open you up to additional action. I can't tell you how many times I've 4 bet - barreled off against these habitual free carders (and guess what? They fold).
So option A: call down the raise:
AK on J99tt, turn river red 2's. You call twice and win sometimes. Amount invested postflop: 3 BB
Option B: you three bet and get four bet. Same board, same action. Amount invested: 4 BB. Win less often. Sometimes talk yourself into a fold, investing the same amount as before while not seeing a showdown.
Of course, against guys who check raise this flop, bet turn and never fire the third barrel w/ a bluff, b3b/b/check becomes a much less awful line, which is why so many people likely learned to do it. I just adjust by 4 betting these guys relentlessly OOP and putting most of their range on this board in a lot of peril (and make sure I do it w/ QQ+ and a 9 as well, so that I'm not similarly exposing myself to be bluffed out of the pot).