TT flops set three ways - Medium Stakes Poker Forum

efficacy · 07-18-2012, 10:46 AM

20/40

TAG reg opens TT from utg+1, mediocre LP old reg CC from HJ, nitty-ish BB calls.

flop Td7d5s

BB donks, TT raises, old guy calls, BB calls.

Turn: Js

BB donks, TT raises, old guy instantly calls while making a speech about limping along, BB 3bets, TT calls, old guy calls.

River: As

old guy yells "KA-CHING-GA!" as BB checks, TT checks, old guy bets, BB calls,

Are you ever folding in this spot?

surfdoc · 07-18-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by efficacy

Are you ever folding in this spot?

sweet jesus no.

earlytimes1 · 07-18-2012, 12:29 PM

not closing the action at 17:1, no.

pgcounty · 07-18-2012, 12:41 PM

hell no

efficacy · 07-18-2012, 12:50 PM

spoiler:

Spoiler:

I would never fold this either, yet the reg (winning reg, pretty sure) folded face up saying 'well, this is never good'. He was indeed in third place vs BB's 98 and old guy's 6s4s. I was really surprised he could find a fold there. In discussing the hand with him afterwards, he said he "knew 100%" that BB had a straight and that he would have folded the river had he not improved. :|

I feel like some of the bigger winners in the Canterbury Park game REALLY trust their reads against specific players and (correctly) make SUPER exploitable folds such as this. Should I worry about rarely making hero folds like this? Am I worrying about this as a result of running poorly? The TAG in this hand called me a showdown monkey while having a side-discussion about poker away from the table.

jdr0317 · 07-18-2012, 12:52 PM

lol @ ever folding this river. Gramps probably spiked an ace or random 2-pair.

Nchabazam · 07-18-2012, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efficacy

spoiler:

Spoiler:

I would never fold this either, yet the reg (winning reg, pretty sure) folded face up saying 'well, this is never good'. He was indeed in third place vs BB's 98 and old guy's 6s4s. I was really surprised he could find a fold there. In discussing the hand with him afterwards, he said he "knew 100%" that BB had a straight and that he would have folded the river had he not improved. :|

I feel like some of the bigger winners in the Canterbury Park game REALLY trust their reads against specific players and (correctly) make SUPER exploitable folds such as this. Should I worry about rarely making hero folds like this? Am I worrying about this as a result of running poorly? The TAG in this hand called me a showdown monkey while having a side-discussion about poker away from the table.

I mean, if you've played 200 hours with gramps, and he always made a strong hand on this river given his tell (and knows AT isn't worth screaming about), then he pretty much has KQ or some spade combo no? Like, conceivably you could fold this river if you had all this info, but it's probably bad in this spot.

The thought of the TAG folding a brick river because the BB 3bet the turn though is pretty hilarious.

So no, don't fold, run better.

AlanBostick · 07-18-2012, 01:26 PM

Yeah, I know, closing the action at 17:1.

I can see making a crying-call of the BB's river bet unimproved. But we aren't just calling on the end, we're overcalling.

There's surely a bunch of LOLwut in Gramps' range, and even some in the TAG's. But what's the overlap between the two?

efficacy · 07-18-2012, 01:56 PM

Fwiw tt player in this hand probably has 4k+ hours of history with lololdguy.

armor32 · 07-18-2012, 08:24 PM

I also don't fold here, but I need to learn that ASAP.

SnowTires88 · 07-20-2012, 07:31 AM

I've made similar folds like this before but it is only with players you have put in thousands of hands with and a spot that they can only have it. I find if it isn't a spot where it simply can't be anything but, call. If he got there god bless him. This is just a spot where you don't run well. Pretty sure you experience much more anguish folding to his 2pair then paying off with 3rd set

The DaveR · 07-20-2012, 11:33 AM

In live poker some people are just never exploiting you. Their goal isn't to maximize anything or collect value or anything like that; it's to draw to the winning hand. Assuming they think like you is a mistake.

**private joker** · 07-20-2012, 11:34 AM

If I'm going to fold here I'll b/f, not c/f.

ICanHold9Donuts · 07-20-2012, 02:55 PM

Folding this is awful. Their reads seem "spot on" to them because they remember the 9 times they were right and forget the 1 time they were wrong and would have won the pot.

This is live poker so they have no good recent history (sample size) to remember and compare results. Of course they'll lose more often than not, but they only have to be getting the right odds obviously. IMO in live poker people fold way too much because of this. It's easier to remember calling time after time and losing than the very few times you called getting good odds and won.

lawdude · 07-20-2012, 08:40 PM

Fur coats....