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07-21-2015 , 06:24 PM
Live 20, no reads except I don't either player and an called of so but likely prone to make mistakes post. Cutoff opens, Sb calls and I call 66 bb

Flop Td 7d 3s gets checked through

Turn Kh, sb leads and I raise

Riber 2h, he checks and I think about betting but check back, thoughts?

Last edited by Jon_locke; 07-21-2015 at 06:30 PM.
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07-21-2015 , 06:34 PM
Tbh, I haven't followed the pincus flap very closely; but, is this a fsdr, a pincus raise or a jon locke special?
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07-21-2015 , 06:38 PM
Your reads aren't very strong
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07-21-2015 , 06:39 PM
Yea, pretty clearly he Pincus Moneyhated the turn
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07-21-2015 , 06:40 PM
i need more information about the villains.

without further info, SB should have a bunch of Tx and 7x stuff in his range. CO has 6 outs at most? seems like the turn raise is a bit ambitious and may be isolating us against a better hand. knocking the CO out is nice, but he's not getting the correct price to call for a 6 outer, so we don't induce a mistake from him by raising. the pot is pretty small, so we're less concerned about protecting it.

as played, river check is reasonable. not sure what we really get value from. 3x, 44 and 55?
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07-21-2015 , 06:49 PM
It wasn't a FSDR, it was a Pincus!

But as stated before, this pot is small enough that we don't mind if CO peels for a 6 outer v our hand, and we likely aren't ahead of SB's betting range on this texture. Plus, it's unlikely he'll fold a King if he hit it on the turn, so there's that as well.

As played, river seems pointless to bet.
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07-21-2015 , 06:51 PM
Should have turned a set and then bet the river.
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07-21-2015 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Live 20, no reads except I don't either player and an called of so but likely prone to make mistakes post. Cutoff opens, Sb calls and I call 66 bb

Flop Td 7d 3s gets checked through

Turn Kh, sb leads and I raise

Riber 2h, he checks and I think about betting but check back, thoughts?
I would fold the turn. Even though this time it wasn't the case I think a generic check back range for cutoff includes kq QJ kj kinda hands and the sb Probably won't lead out unless he has a pair better than yours or a draw with a lot of outs against your hand
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07-21-2015 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by drbk2
I would fold the turn. Even though this time it wasn't the case I think a generic check back range for cutoff includes kq QJ kj kinda hands and the sb Probably won't lead out unless he has a pair better than yours or a draw with a lot of outs against your hand
Then you let him rape your dog while you stand around and do nothing.
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07-22-2015 , 12:28 AM
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1 reason I hate a fsdr here is that I think cutoff shows up with and here a lot. He's likely to bet most A high and all pairs on the flop, so he has KJ/KQ here a ton.

Also I don't like/get the name free showdown raise, it implies we get a free showdown even though we end up putting in more bets when we raise the turn than when we call twice. Yes you may fold out cutoff JQ, but he's folding every other hand he has here for one bet
... right?
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07-22-2015 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
Then you let him rape your dog while you stand around and do nothing.
Lol. You are so so weird
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07-22-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by grandmofftarkin
... right?
This isn't a free showdown raise, it's something different, I just can't think of a good name for it (but I'm open to suggestions).
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07-22-2015 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by drbk2
Lol. You are so so weird
If being anti-dog rape makes one "weird" then I plead guilty!
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07-22-2015 , 02:57 AM
You know nothing jon lock. you are weak, your line is weak and you shall not survive the coming winter.
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07-22-2015 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
This isn't a free showdown raise, it's something different, I just can't think of a good name for it (but I'm open to suggestions).
lawn jock?
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07-22-2015 , 04:10 AM
jesus christ! i fell for it. posting actual content in a no content thread. i thought it was odd, but i couldn't sniff it out. well played, sir, well played.

mods, please lock this thread.
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07-22-2015 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
This isn't a free showdown raise, it's something different, I just can't think of a good name for it (but I'm open to suggestions).
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07-23-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
This isn't a free showdown raise, it's something different, I just can't think of a good name for it (but I'm open to suggestions).
Well it's definitely not a complete free showdown raise. You are betting a 6, after all. :P
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07-23-2015 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
This isn't a free showdown raise, it's something different, I just can't think of a good name for it (but I'm open to suggestions).
Smoke Monster
Moving the Island
The Lockus
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07-24-2015 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
This isn't a free showdown raise, it's something different, I just can't think of a good name for it (but I'm open to suggestions).
How about calling it a "Locke This"?

Then you can change the thread title to Locke This Thread.
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