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Old 07-17-2012, 11:27 PM   #1
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Game is 1/2 in the city of angels, 8 handed I think. Laggy pro opens UTG, his range is wide but he is UTG 8 handed so it's not out of control. Tag fish asian lady calls next in; this surprises me, as she doesn't do a whole lot of cold calling and likely has a very narrow range of small to middling pocket pairs (I don't know how high it goes) and suited connectors/aces. The fishy sb calls and I defend the 63o.

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SB checks, I check, UTG bets (his entire range I suspect), and tag fish lady raises. SB folds.

1. Is preflop an abortion?
2. Obviously if I continue I must 3 bet. Is that the correct action?
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:03 AM   #2
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I muck that preflop.

And it seems like you've got pretty bad RIO against TAGfish's range. She's paying you 2 BB when you're good and charging you 3 BB whenever you're not.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:29 AM   #3
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I've been actually playing with stove/ranges etc recently trying to figure out what are acceptable 3x hands to defend with in BB when 4 or 5 handed (especially suited hands). It just happened that I was dealt a ton of 3x recently in the blinds... I think 3Ts+ is ok as well as 34s, 35s... but I would say 36o is an abortion indeed; however I don't play 1/2 so what do I know.

Postflop, I fold in a 40 game vs a TAG fish lady.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:50 AM   #4
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Given your read, do you think she's capable of believing the story? IE putting you on 77+ or a 2? and mucking her pair? Or is she in show me mode?

What's the plan if the opener doesn't fold and you take two people to the turn?
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Old 07-18-2012, 01:40 AM   #5
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77 never folds unless it comes both heart then ace. 22 and 33 boards (obv not 33 in this case) are unique in hold em. Fold, you're even money against a flush draw, not getting laid a huge price, and can't autorealize your equity because you're out of position. When it comes high card, high heart, you're just guessing. fold pf too.
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:21 AM   #6
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What do you think TAG fish lady's range is when she cold-calls preflop and then raises this flop?
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Old 07-18-2012, 02:28 AM   #7
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I would fold the flop. You are only in great shape against three possible holdings (33,44,55) in terrible shape versus a couple, and even money vs. flush draws, plus you still have the opener to deal with.

Also I muck that pre. Call suited obv.
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I would fold the flop.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:53 AM   #9
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PF seems kinda bad but not terrible. It's a timed game I'm assuming? 64o seems kinda standard so w/e.

Flop it seems like the lady's range is any 33-TTish and overcards with a FD. She might be spewing sometimes, but probably not enough to want to continue. PF raiser has a hand here a fair bit.

If I were to continue I'd 3bet to try and get the raiser's overcard range to fold, but he probably continues with AK/AQ so it might be kinda futile. I don't know if he'd cbet with KQ here 4 handed.
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Old 07-18-2012, 09:54 AM   #10
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Fold twice jessee. 7 to 1 aint enough with an utg open
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:12 AM   #11
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I don't fold preflop.

I would 3bet on the flop because a tagfishy asian lady can seriously raise this flop with like A5 or some BS its incredible. But, if PFR calls I'd likely continue with great caution.
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Agree with DosXX on all
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Wow... please share your thoughts on preflop?
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:31 AM   #14
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What do you think TAG fish lady's range is when she cold-calls preflop and then raises this flop?
Flush draws (I'm not sure what ones she cold calls pre), 6s (probably 76s, A6s), 44, 55, and 77-88 maybe?

And of course like Dos said there is some utter bull**** that could or could not be present.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:16 PM   #15
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Flush draws (I'm not sure what ones she cold calls pre), 6s (probably 76s, A6s), 44, 55, and 77-88 maybe?

And of course like Dos said there is some utter bull**** that could or could not be present.
So you're losing to 4 combos of hands, 10 if villain raises half her 77/88 combos.
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