40/80 So Cal. I'm running well so far and have image of a fairly loose aggressive regular who definitely beats the games. Probably only 1 of 3 villains cares about my image.

UTG is a 50ish persian man. He's not awful but a loser and plays kind of weak.

CO is a 30ish white guy who I don't know much about. I have the impression he is solid, but have little confidence in this assessment.

BTN is 40ish middle eastern (?) loose bad fish. I hadn't played with him previously but he's been loose so far at this game. Haven't noted how aggressive he gets but he's shown down some bad preflop hands.


UTG raises, Hero is UTG+1 and 3! AQ, CO calls, BTN calls, blinds fold, UTG calls. 4way to the flop.

AQ7

UTG checks, Hero bets, CO calls, BTN calls, UTG folds. 3 way to the turn:

AQ79

Hero bets, CO calls, BTN raises.

Thoughts from here? More specifically, what's the best hand without a spade in it that you would fold? What's the weakest hand to 3bet with? And how do we want to proceed with our hand?

I'd probably b/f AK here, so AQ is probably the bottom of my calling range. BTN has a flush/set sooo often. If CO didn't call in between us I'd calldown a lot wider.

I'd probably 3bet... AA/QQ? you should have no flushes in your range.

I'd call and call any non-spade river. I'm actually sort of optimistic about our hand, although the looser he is the more random flush combos he should have to counterbalance the other value hands he'd be raising on this board tecture. I'd donk an A river and c/r a Q.

I'm not sure CO in between should affect our call down range, since he never has us beat unless another spade comes or maybe another broadway card that could make him a straight.

It is quite unfortunate that I shouldn't have any flushes in my range, though I don't think its completely impossible for me to have KJss or JTss in this spot from time to time. On the plus side, BTN doesn't realize that I can't have a flush, so i dont think he 4bets this turn with a small flush, which means i can 3bet a bit more liberally without being punished when behind.

call down mode.

not feeling horrible about it.

not feeling great either.

i'm folding spade rivers and donking both A and Q, you are able to get in 3 bets that way a lot.

Should we consider checking our entire range on the turn?

To elicit bluffs from flush draws and avoid getting raised by pat flushes?

We don't want to give a free card to the draws, so my guess is that a check would only be right if we could depend on LP to bluff a draw and not check behind.

I don't think you realize how seldom we should get in 3 bets on the river this way. I mean if we don't 3 bet the turn because we are behind sets and flushes, the river A only inproves our hand if we had Aces up, since everything else is still behind sets and flushes; therefore our donking range here is like AQ exactly and we should get called by every hand that would otherwise b/c river.

Cannot fold turn based on button's playing style. He could easily have A7 suited or A9 suited... hell, he could even have 79suited or Q9 suited based on your description of his playing style. And with the Button, he probably raises all of these hands on the turn. You are ahead of too much of his range here (He may even have JT with one spade, AJ with the J of spades, AK with K of spades, albeit unlikely he plays them this way.)

No way I fold this hand in this spot in this pot. Crying call for sure. If Button was known to be an aggro player, I would usually 3 bet to get CO out of the hand, this way you can check call a river spade. However, he is not described here as aggro.

The point is button's range is stronger multi-way.

That's too many "shoulds" for a hand vs middle eastern 40s fish, particularly given the relative positions.

Don't fold

Of course folding is not an option. I think the turn is much closer to a 3bet than a fold. Mostly because if button has 2pair and the c/o has a spade that isn't the King then we can probably clear him out and make sure river spades don't kill our hand.

I don't think button will be 4betting this turn without the nuts or maybe the 2nd nuts, so it can cost us an extra bet to try and clean up spades on the river then that's easily worth it. Plus, i think we're not too far behind the button's range, if we're behind. And we have 4 outs if we're behind no matter what, which is nice.

I think this is idea is preposterous (for the hand and the 3b range). We have top 2 pair on a good sized pot.