Early morning 40/80 at San Jose's Place to Play

V1 is a 40 and 80 reg. Seems competent. Doesn't limp or cold call. Aggro post flop. He's on tilt now after losing all morning. Opening a ton.

V2 is std loose passive. Basically the opposite of V1. Strongly prefers cold calling to 3-betting.

Not much history with either. I assume they think I'm not terrible but beyond that, don't know.

9-handed V1 opens UTG+1, V2 3! SB, Hero calls 44 in BB

Flop 735cc

V2 checks, Hero bets, V1 calls, V2 calls

Turn 2o

Ck/bet/fold/call

River 2o

Ck/bet

nh.

Is the flop standard?

i wouldn't say there is a standard flop play in this situation. i do think betting is best though.

I'd fold preflop

Glad I'm not the only one.

Besides that, nh. You lose to 66, and some uber-MUBSy stuff.

Is this because it's the described villain 3-betting an EP open or is this a fold no matter what? Like if it were CO open, BTN 3! and both had a wide range, would it be a call then or still a fold?

Because loose passives don't 3 bet with non-monsters and competent people raising from BTN-5 aren't too shabby either.

I'm also on the folding pre bandwagon, as hard as it is to do. It's very hard to play confidently on almost any flop without a 4.

Well played rest of the way.

Villain who prefers coldcalling to three-betting three-bets. How much equity do we have preflop? I think it's an easy fold.

I think it's a very easy fold pre-flop.

If a player finds this pre-flop fold at all difficult, there may be discipline problems. It sucks that you get a "playable" hand in an unplayable situation, but disciplined players snap fold such hands and look for better spots.

ah yes discipline, the one skill at which lawdude crushes the rest of us degenerates.

I used to autofold small PP's here but I read on here that we should be calling 22+ in this spot so I started doing that. It seems I misunderstood something.

v2 being passive, but waking up with the 3! makes your hand very hard to play without hitting a set. No odds to chase.

This is going to sound egotistical, but yes, the mid-stakes live games in Southern California are filled with players who know far more about poker than I do and yet don't have winrates to show for it, because they tilt, care too much about session results, try to "outplay" players when they are card dead, and play too loose because it is not fun to make proper folds.

So yes, I do think I crush most players in discipline. It is basically the ONLY part of poker that I crush. But the thing is, it's really important and when people on 2+2 say they have trouble making easy folds or that they make some overly loose play because "it's more fun", I think that's the sort of thing that people need to examine more.

EDIT: I should add, the OP's statement that he had read here that this was a correct hand to play means he may not have a discipline problem; he just didn't know the proper strat. But other 2+2'ers almost certainly have such problems.

I'd call 22+ if v2 were different but he's a loose passive who just 3bet an utg raise so I'd fold.

As played I think the river is a check back. You beat all the overs that peeled one too many streets. When you bet what hands are gonna call you that you beat? Ak and maybe Aq? Not a huge part of his range.


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AK/AQ I would think would be a significant part of his range, given that he 3! a tight range then checked the flop.