BB is an extremely strong internet player who's strongest in full ring situations and tends to have a somewhat nitty image. That being said he's capable of creative play, especially against other strong players.

SB is lag/tag fishy. He cold calls way too much especially in the SB, and, postflop, is passive in bad spots, aggressive in bad spots, misses value, bluffs in silly straightforward ways.

Not sure what my image is to SB, but BB knows who I am and knows I know who he is. He has a good handle on my preflop range and postflop play and I think I have a strong handle on his.

3 handed CAZ

I open OTB with AQ. SB Calls. BB Calls.

Flop: Q93

They check. I bet. They both call.

Turn: J

Check. BB Bets. Decision time.

This is a pretty sick spot. At first I thought this was a call, but now I think I prefer r/f with it being 3-way. Is BB capable of b/3! with JT/T9/AhX type of stuff (with or w/o a heart) if SB calls?

I'd need to know more about BB's play but full ring specialist and nitty image leads me to believe he isn't 3-betting this turn unless you're crushed. Even if he's capable of a creative play from time to time, is it often enough that he's going to bet/3-bet a hand you're either ahead of or have a ton of outs again? Like, I don't think he's even 3-betting J9 here.

So that leads me to want to r/f like Cap'n says. Just too many draws we don't want SB to pay cheaply for. And since SB only bluffs in straightforward spots, he's never c/3-betting here on a bluff. So I think a raise is pretty safe. Gets value when we're ahead, protects hand vs. SB, and slows down BB on a lot of gnarly rivers. If I raised and just got called by BB, I would bet a brick river (non-heart 7 or smaller) and check behind K/T/hearts.

Devil's advocate argument is: what is BB's turn donking range here? If it includes hands like KhJx and AhJx or even QxTh, then great. But if he's only taking this line with crafty monsters then a raise isn't so great. I just have a hard time believing he's going to bet/3-bet this turn when he wouldn't c/r the flop having trapped the SB.

A draw is very unlikely for him. He wants you to raise or at least to ensure a bet goes in, and usually has you beat when he bets here. See my location.

Why couldn't he have turned his hand?

Because people sometimes c/r big draws on the flop 3-ways when they have the right relative position, as BB did. So this means if, let's say, he has the nut flush, then he a) chose not to c/r the draw on the flop when it was 3-ways, and b) chose not to c/r the nuts when he made it.

These things aren't too improbable, granted, but I think it's understood that we're talking about a pretty close spot here.

I agree he doesn't often have a flush, but he can definitely have KT or J9. I guess he doesn't 3-bet these hands on the turn (maybe KT) so I guess your original point is valid.

FWIW, I think a flush is his most likely hand.

If I had a small or medium flush, I would probably play it just like he did, so it certainly fits. But this is a 3-handed game, so I just assumed ranges were a lot wider.

It's hard to make a flush in poker.

I think it's close in that he might c/r a strong draw but might play it passively here just as easily. on the flop But he could also have T8 and J9, which he is never c/raising the flop with. Tbh I think it's very unlikely that he has less than 2p here.

Also guys I think we need to read our own hand here. What's our opening range OTB in a 3-handed game? Should be wider than Kim Kardashian's ass. So waking up with AQ here is like being rolled up. It's a monster. Then flopping TPTK is even more ridiculous. C-betting the flop says nothing about our hand, really, so I think we have a very very strong part of the range our opponents can put us on.

I don't about OTR but I dont cbet this particular flop with my entire range. Your basic point is still valid that my range would be wide, but its narrows some after the flop. The thing is, it doesn't matter too much, because he's betting into 2 people and he won't enough fold equity to sbluff profitably on this turn card

So we should fold.

I havn't done the range math, but it might be close if I really trusted my read that he doesn't sbluff here. In reality I am calling because:

- I'd only be like 70-80% sure of my read proably
- We have outs against 2p
- It's not inconceivable he could play TP this way

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anyone who folds this turn without some physical tell (just using info in the thread) is either awful or should pm me with their coaching rates.

for the record, i think folding is awful as is raising (hand waving...nash equillibrium...more hand waving...QED) but i got a lot to learn from someone who thinks otherwise i would imagine.