They're in his pf/flop/turn range, but are they in his river range? You have the exact same range for all 3 streets, but surely his range narrows as the hand progresses...

Possibly...but I was thinking that your range is so full of value that 22 is possibly a bluff. The only thing below it are busted Q-hi draws (worse draws would have semibluffed earlier).

When I read this, I hit myself on the forehead and awarded that same self a daily stupidity award... of course you are right. But not sure if this is still a correct stove exercise because obviously if you exclude eights from his range, hero's equity goes up

I would of capped pre, and the hand might of gone opposite if you bet all the way

I would of raised the flop, as the action went

I guess as the hand goes, why did you fold the river?

I call the river if I call the turn in this spot, your hoping for a 2 outter on the river right, or put villan on air? Its a slim to none draw, so was your plan to call the turn and fold the river UI. I would of raised the turn in that case.

Its a much closer to correct stove exercise than the one you posted in your OP, and yes your equity goes up.

I think your right and you should call this river. Even if villain value bets Kx+ and only bluffs Jhi or worse (checks his Q hi's) we still have an break even call on the river. I think most villains probably bluff this river more than they should and value bet it less than they should too.

I'd call the river. Raising the flop is bad, capping PF is probably bad, but I could see justification for it.

I think the fact that you got to this river makes it a pretty easy call. He's going to barrel with any crap he 2 barreled with to try to get you to fold a small pair since the A is a scare card, blah blah blah polarization.

The question is does he 2 barrel QTs when you peel this ridiculously dry flop? I think you need to discount some of those random whiffed hands on the turn. You can also discount some of his weaker made hands on the river, like 8x or TT which will likely check.

Bottom line, it's a pretty close spot, and folding probably isn't a large mistake, but I think erring on the side of showing down here is probably a better decision. You definitely need to change your stove up based on assumptions by street a bit though, otherwise it's a pretty useless metric.

I thought that CaptainR implied in his responses that he recommends folding, so I was looking how to get Stove show my equity go down... But now I don't know what he implied Captain ?

I hadn't read captain's responses yet, and would expect your equity to go down a touch, but I still think it's a thin call. Don't try to tinker with your stoves to fit one outcome or another, just make assumptions as accurate as possible, then see the outcome.

I didn't mean to imply anything on what to do, I just noticed that you were basing your decision-making on pokerstove. And that if you are going to do so, your ranges need to be more accurate because I didn't think they were.

Ok, that is clearly understood and agreed upon. The problem is that once you get rid of his bottom value range (essentially hands he would check behind with on the river), our own equity in stove gets bigger so it appears to be a wrong tool to use.

Or maybe you're not discounting his 2 barrel range enough, or maybe it's a trivially easy call. It's a fine tool to use.

i think the villain's preflop resteal range is way too wide.

nchabazam - whaddu you think?

for an online 20 game? wow, i would guess that range was standard.

dude youre basically saying its not a good tool because it gave you an answer that you either didnt like or didnt expect. seems like faulty logic, although i can empathize with distrusting new sources that give me answers that seem weird to me. except pokerstove is from 1957 so stop being silly.

you completely misunderstood me, seems like. I didn't mean to say it is not a right tool because it gave me unexpected results. But never mind that. So far in this thread, nobody told me how to solve this correctly with stove. Would you like to help? Is this a profitable river call? (sorry, not nobody - Nachbazam did it )