Utg limps, I raise QdTd from hijack or something and both blinds call.

Flop is Js 6d 2s... Sb leads, BB folds UTG calls and I call
Turn is 9h... Checked to me and I check (I can see reasons for betting here but I think checking is best, could elaborate more later if people disagree)
River is 8s for final board of Js 6d 2s 9h 8s.... Sb leads and we.....

sb can hand read pretty well and plays pretty reasonable preflop.

either raise/fold or call based on how often they would lead flop with a hand trying to c/r turn. Don't really like raise/fold in a vacuum given how hard it is for you to have a flush here.

I think it's kind of gross in this spot to raise/call, with our range as capped as it is, and a raise pretty much meaning exactly what it looks like (QT not spades). I guess we could possibly have a set of 8's if we raised, too?

Sorry, mistyped board, board was 7-8-9-J sss

call. i can't think of much of anything that he's played reasonably that we beat.

Fyp

agree.

I mean I think the worst hand he shows up with on the river is like JTs that forgot to go for a check raise on the flop, then for some reason decided to try it on the turn in a spot where you're probably not betting anything that doesn't beat JTs.

What did UTG do on the river? Seems like it would make a difference.

Also, is the flop call considered standard here? I don't think it is awful or anything, but I think I would typically fold.

if he didn't mention it then UTG must have folded.

river seems like a call. JTs is the only straight he shows up with and he probably isn't valuebetting worse than that.

You think you have less than 10% equity here? And you've got excellent relative and absolute position...

I call this closing the action against almost anyone.

C'mon now.

Flop is 4 way. Ranks are dry, but it is two tone. PFR should have a check back range, so its reasonable for SB to have a donk range. On the turn, 89/9T/8T just caught up. It's reasonable for donker to check his 7. or turned pair. or FD. or try a fancy x/r. I don't think I'm being too creative for thinking these are not outrageous lines.


River decision: Call. We have little to no flush combos. Villain can have many. Villain flush combos are more likely than Tx combos.

What I'm reflecting on now is how hero would play his flush draws OTF and OTT. Its tempting to raise any FD+overcard/GS on this flop. Don't expect donker to 3b often. Have good equity 3way, and a chance to free card or continue barreling. If donker does 3b, sometimes the UTG sandwichee comes along and hero's equity is still ok. --That's my default play OTF, and I still think its ok even if it means we are often capped OTR.

(Unless villain donk tends to be super strong and going for a b/3b, in which case its a trivial call)

if sb hand reads well, has not seen us fold to a river 3b before, and hasn't seen us do anything crazy yet, i don't mind raise/fold. obv can't make a habit of that, but i think there's enough Tcombos that make it worth it to raise. he called from the sb so it's not like he can have ALL those flush combos. also, the coldcall from the sb puts lots of mid/good tens in there. what would suck if he had the T and also the flush lol, but se la vie.

finally, if he knows that we're reasonable/good hand reader, then he should know it's a cry-call w/ the T and he surely won't 3b a T or QT etc. where w'ed fold the whole or half the pot.

given all that, even though we checked the flop, i'd still vote raise/fold. one other benefit of this is that you are tougher to play against if he sees that you'll raise a bit lighter than most on the river vs. just calling w/ the nut straight.

i'd also add that other good players who are paying attention at the table will take note that you took the risk and raised the q high straight here on the 3flush board (i know i'd make a mental note of that).

I like the turn check. I am interested to hear reasons to bet the turn in this spot.

On the river I think call is best. Reasonable preflop players who suck postflop are usually very polarized on the river in this spot. I think by raising you would be hoping to get value from mostly naked tens, but I can't think of a single hand besides a super weirdly played T9s or something that would have a ten in it. And even that is a stretch.

I'm also assuming the flop was J72 two Spades.

Why are you assuming the flop is different than was given in OP?

I don't know. I guess I assume most people have a scroll down function on whatever device they are using to read these posts. Maybe you dont

Oops, I forgot about the correction. Although now not sure why you bothered to tell us the assumption (seems definite to me), but it doesn't really matter....never mind.

Because he corrected the final Board and not the flop? Because j9x j8x and j7x flops play much differently from each other? But you're right, doesn't matter that much

Every time someone donks I get super tilted and put numerous bets in bad . Raise and hate yourself

I would raise/fold.