Been a while since I had a hand where I just didn't know what to do.......

Villian is unknown. I've been at the table maybe 30 minutes, villian is not the typical Commerce $20-40 donk and seems to have a clue, raising quite a bit pf. The only hands he has shown have been suited cards from the blinds where he has hit 2 pair or a flush. Not sure I even have an image as I've only been in a few hands, and those that I won did not get shown down.

Villian raises MP1, I 3bet HJ with 99

Flop is J77

Check/bet/call

Turn is 10

No clue how to proceed here. His range should have me crushed. Not sure if letting the plethora of possible draws go free is a mistake or not

I would bet fold. We are ahead of AK, AQ, KQ, many pocket pairs and don't want to give free card, as you said. If he is capable of check raising draws in this spot then... oh well

I stoved what I thought was a reasonable range and you appear to be a dog but not crushed....

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

95,681,354 games 36.468 secs 2,623,707 games/sec

Board: Js 7c 7s Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 39.445% 38.99% 00.46% 37302644 438613.00 { 9d9h }
Hand 1: 60.555% 60.10% 00.46% 57502265 438615.50 { 66+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, A9o+, KJo+, QJo }

Getting k/r here definitely sucks and against a good villain it will happen quite a bit. I don't think that checking back with a plan to get this hand to showdown is terrible, especially since if he was planning to k/f the turn you probably will induce a bet from him on a lot of rivers.

If you check, I'm trying to think of any river cards where you should fold to a bet. Given the plan and lack of knowledge about villain I think I am calling everything except for an ace or the K or Q

bet/fold, he is peeling the flop with all sorts of nonsense

What range is that?

About what Mort stated. I might narrow things down a small amount..

My biggest issue is that I don't see this ever as a bet for value. I guess if villian has like exactly A9 or A8 with a spade.....but any other big combo holdings have a lot of outs on me and it just seems like its gonna put me in a gross spot if I get C/R on this turn. And also there seem to be about a bazillion good bluffy cards on the river in which case it forces me to call just about any river card. But I don't think I'm realistically getting called by worse hands that don't have a lot of outs.

I dunno....I was was trying to figure out the balance between not giving up a free card with value owning myself out of at least one bet and possibly two........and I couldn't figure it out, hence my post.

It is still a bet for value even if you dont expecrt a worse hand to call. This is the turn, not the river.

This.

How can it be better to call a river bet than to bet the turn on this board?

+1

If you don't think there is value in a turn bet, then betting the turn has to have some other purpose, ie fold equity in this case. I don't think you fold many hands that have outs to continue, maybe red KQ/Q9s fold the turn.

I'm fine with checking back this turn. I think if villain fast plays hands and can't show up with QQ or AJ here, we might have enough equity to value bet though.

A good thing about checking back this turn is we avoid having to fold our 5 outs when we are C/R by AsJx or something similar. We also have a good chance to get paid on the river by AK/55 anyways when a brick rolls off, so we don't miss much value there.

Our equity goes way on safe rivers, we avoid making a bad fold facing a turn C/R, we may induce a river bluff, we may induce a bad river call or value bet by villain...

Depends entirely on what we view villain's range. In this case, I'm not sure. We don't even have value if villain fast plays KJ+ and C/R all his FD's on the flop.

Board: Js 7c 7s Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.890% 49.32% 00.57% 2908 33.50 { 9d9h }
Hand 1: 50.110% 49.54% 00.57% 2921 33.50 { TT-88, 66-55, AcKc, AdKd, AhKh, AcQc, AdQd, AhQh, AcTc, AdTd, AhTh, Ac9c, Ad9d, Ah9h, Ac8c, Ad8d, Ah8h, KcQc, KdQd, KhQh, KcTc, KdTd, KhTh, Kc9c, Kd9d, Kh9h, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, Qc9c, Qd9d, Qh9h, J9s+, AQo+, ATo-A8o, KTo, QTo+, JTo }

Because we can't fold the winner if we call river.

I would check back because he's calling with his draws anyway and we are owning ourselves vs a J 7 or a T or a monster hand ... I can't put it into words but the times we are ahead cancels the times we are behind in this spot. That might sound real dumb but I would really hate to fold to a semi bluff check raise and I know a lot of guys who would cr ANY draw and this is such a wet board .... I suppose after checking back id have to play poker on the river. You can sometimes tell if somebody is po'ed because they missed their cr ott and they just insta lead it otr (I do it all the time lol). So it really comes down to playing poker otr. Np op.

Btw bf is totally standart but I tanked while grunching here abut this and it really is an interesting spot. I'm looking forward to getting leveled should I be out of line here ...

I know I sound like "I am checking because I hate to fold to a raise." is this fishy? Iow I WOULD fold to a raise but just ****ing hate it! So checking seems less painful and I would like to use my position and poker skills to help make a decision otr. Is this so bad?