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Old 08-08-2011, 06:38 PM   #1
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Short-handed means long-penised

Live 40: 4-handed

Villain is not a regular, and does not seem like an internet superstar, but doesn't seem totally retarded. He's been playing fewer hands than he probably should, but he could just be card dead. He has been 3-betting a lot out of the blinds however when he does play.

I've been opening the most hands and winning a lot of pots.

Villain opens OTB, SB folds, I defend 85 in BB.

Flop: T32 (2 players, 4.5 sb)
I check, villain bets, I check-raise, villain calls.

Turn: 9 (2 players, 4.25 bb)
I bet, villain calls.

River: J (2 players, 6.25 bb)
I check, intending to fold.

Looks good?
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:43 PM   #2
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

How is his shorthanded value adjustment? Have you seen him calldown K-high or anything else that would suggest he understands SH play well enough to do so?

Personally at this point I'd just fire the last barrel. Let him make a mistake with KQ or A4 and toss it if he's going to do that, doesn't need to work often at all.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:55 PM   #3
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How is his shorthanded value adjustment? Have you seen him calldown K-high or anything else that would suggest he understands SH play well enough to do so?

Personally at this point I'd just fire the last barrel. Let him make a mistake with KQ or A4 and toss it if he's going to do that, doesn't need to work often at all.
While we're at it, lets hope he folds JJ/TT/99/JT/Q8/87 and all other near-nutted hands.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:10 PM   #4
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

i would bet again if i'd played it this way.
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Old 08-08-2011, 07:12 PM   #5
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

me too, J is an ugly card for him
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:34 PM   #6
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

I'd barrel this part of your range. You should certainly give up with some stuff though. I'd also probably need at least a bd flush draw and bd straight draw to check raise air on this texture.
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Old 08-08-2011, 08:41 PM   #7
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

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Old 08-08-2011, 11:42 PM   #8
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

I would say next time just k/f flop and wait for a better spot to attack. You have no hand, no draw, no showdown value and are bulldozing chips into this pot. problem with the hand as played IMO is that the 2 and 3 are basically invisible cards. think of it as a one card flop with a 10. what would you do if you were v? fold to a cr? get scared that someone took the c/r flop then barrel turn line playing HU in a four handed game? Even though the final board has a 9-10-J component that in theory could hit a lot of your range, the way the hand played out does not give as much credibility to you having those holdings.

Its easy to say that you should just go ahead and barrel the river since your holding is so terrible and the default thinking might be "if my hand sucks and clearly can't win, I should just bet as a bluff" but you will likely just burn a third big bet that doesn't need to be spent as villain seems pretty committed to calling you down and it is overly optimistic to say that he will be scared of a river J.
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Old 08-09-2011, 01:14 AM   #9
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

yeah captain you really do have pure air here on the flop

As far as the jack being a "scary" card for the villain, why exactly is that the case? The board is T32r-9badugi-jack. How is captain supposed to hit that jack?
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:02 AM   #10
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yeah captain you really do have pure air here on the flop

As far as the jack being a "scary" card for the villain, why exactly is that the case? The board is T32r-9badugi-jack. How is captain supposed to hit that jack?
I agree with all those who note the flop k/r is really past animal into silly range. Given that you've done it, and pursued the bluff through another street, I think potentially showing is actually a small benefit. You've blown through 2 extra big bets that most "reasonable" players aren't going to - may as well get "Credit" for the image benefits shorthanded.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want to waste more money here, but if I thought a bet on the river was between EV neutral and -.5bb it would push me to make it.
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

fold flop, bet river. i don't like to c/r with pure air on boards like this as you aren't going to get immediate folds very often and a lot of times you will need to 3 barrel as is what occurred here. i like to have some kind of weak draw at least unless the board is awesome (meaning it would be hard to put you on a draw), like K73 or A94 rainbow. as played, i think you have no choice but to bet again. when he calls, flip it up like you have the nuts and hope he folds accidentally.
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Old 08-09-2011, 12:36 PM   #12
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

I'm glad to see that smart people aren't happy with the flop k/r; I'm not happy with it, either.

Why blast the flop and turn if you aren't going to fire on the river, too?
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Re: Short-handed means long-penised

Can someone explain why villain should view the jack as a scare card? Just because we should be afraid of it and we bet anyway?
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:11 PM   #14
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Can someone explain why villain should view the jack as a scare card? Just because we should be afraid of it and we bet anyway?
I think because if we are c/r'ing the flop with any sort of marginally backdoor drawy connected type of hand around the T (basically ATC between 78->KQ), then we now have a pair+ or a straight.
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Old 08-09-2011, 02:14 PM   #15
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I was promised long-penises...
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