I think it was a good fold. I might of folded the flop, either that or if were discussing A high being best hand 3 OTF bet OTT might get her to fold, but I guess that could bring up a whole nother discussion if you 3 OTF and she caps

No, and that's prolly why I shouldn't write posts at 5am after twelve hour brain-melting sessions, sorry... what I'm saying is, tough opponents are more likely to have strategies that are much more difficult for you to exploit but conversely tend to exploit flaws in your overall strat. "Balance" isn't just about making your hands hard to read, it's about making you harder to exploit. Obviously very few-to-none 20 players (including this particular villain) are capable of playing in truly unexploitable way, but what I'm trying to get at is that it's far far more important to think about this hand from 1) a range vs range perspective rather than a "your hand vs. her range" perspective and 2) to think about it in the larger context of how you (and your opponents) are constructing an overall strategy.

For example: if you think this opponent is cr her entire continuing range, how does that range fare against your continuing range?

If villain CR all their flush draws, I have an easy calldown. I estimated I have around 35% equity, Villisns range would be around 25% flush draws, and I would expect Villain to bet river 100% w/missed draws, though they only need to bet about 35% of missed draws to make calling river unprofitable.

it was actually a compliment to desertcat on how I viewed his play before i knew he was desertcat

NOT WITH THIS HAND. YOUR RANGE. YOUR RANGE!

Where is this particular hand in your range? (The strong part? The middle part? The weak part?) What are you doing with each portion? How does the portion of your range that you fold affect the strength of the rest of your range?

Assuming villain is aware of this, is villain's strategy likely or unlikely to be one that check raises and unloads the clip with the entirety of her continuing range?

Is folding to the chk/raise terrible? If we're folding to a brick turn anyway, why not save a small bet? Even if we're getting odds to hit an ace, can we really rely on getting in any more action?

Hmmm - okay, let's say that instead of said intimidating asian lady, it's me.

I'm in the BB. Some dorky fish limps in MP. Then YOU, a tight player raises OTM. I'm in the BB and I look down at A

I'm not folding a suited ace in a limit game for one bet like ever, so I call, and fully expect the dorkus fish to call too.


Now then, the flop comes:

822


Oh awsomeness. Not only do I have the FRUSH draw, but I have a stellar bluffing opportunity. I was in the BB so a deuce is well within my range.

Before I start chasing down my frush though I'd really like to know that no one has a boat yet. And to find out, I may end up winning the pot immediately.

So I check, dorcus the fish checks, so I am no confident that HE does not have a deuce nor pocket 88.

Then it goes to that clever guy on the button and he makes a BET! Hmm... well, I had better find out if that was a c bet with air, or something of real strength.

Okay, I still like my frush draw, and so calling here is silly, first things first, I check raise! Best semi bluff in the world - I rep a deuce, and if I get called, I realize I have to tread carefully going forward - but even if I am called on this flop, I might even get a free card checking the turn. And the ADDED benefit - if the flush does come, the fact that I C-raised the flop will make people LESS suspicious that I actually have a frushy!

I check raise WEEE!

Oh darn, goofball folded. Guess he had his usual junk, no biggy. And the gentleman on the button folds too - well, I guess he had an ace, no pair - I suspected as much. I take down yet another pot. Wonder if I was bluffing with the best hand?

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NOW, I'm not saying that's the thought process of said Asian woman - but I think it is a possible thought process for an aggressive player that can see through the game as you described her.



As an aside - if you three bet her more often in this spot, she might take a different line against you.

You are one of those guys who bets the river gets called and says: "You got it. Just ace high." And I sit there hoping you muck, but you turn your hand over, and I muck and you look confused.

yeah that post was either an incredible level or an enlightening journey into the mind of a TAGfish. in either case, thumbs up!!

I fully support everyone wanting to 3b flop or randomly raise the turn. But that's only because I assume villain likes buying new shoes as much as I do.

Pretty sure he's being ironic. Or he's attempting to establish some kind of dostoyevskian interior monologue for our antagonist.

This is exactly what I was thinking.

I was trying for more of a Sun Tzu interior monolog, but yea.