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08-13-2016 , 10:13 AM
Full 9 handed table of 20/40. I announced to the table a few hands ago that I am leaving because someone from a broken game came up and was looking for a seat so I was being polite letting him know he would have a seat in a few hands.

I just won the last two pots, so I post the kill ($30) UTG. If I win this hand, I can't leave until I lose a hand, or win a hand less than $200 (have to keep posting kill). Also, even though it is close to paying time, I won't have to post time if I am posting kills and leave right after, or I can play through my blinds and button if I lose the BB kill hand without having to pay time.

Folded to MP, a tighter player who has a large limping range who raises in a kill pot. I make it very sure as he is grabbing chips that it is a kill pot. Folds to BB who calls and I have 73 and I...
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08-13-2016 , 11:17 AM
Call of course.
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08-13-2016 , 03:35 PM
I would call but I find it an interesting discussion.

I don't play much kill but it seems perhaps you do. How often (if ever) does the implication of posting the kill next hand affect your decision to play a close spot?
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08-14-2016 , 02:24 AM
Usually having to post a kill if you win the next hand should make you play tighter. When UTG it doesn't matter nearly as much though, as you will be paying BB next hand anyway so would get the "Econokill". So if you didn't say all the introductory stuff, I would tell you to call.

...But, if I really wanted / had to leave soon, didn't want to play another round of blinds, didn't want to lose my EV by leaving on the button, had had already told someone he could have my seat within the next few minutes, I would just fold preflop. 73s isn't exciting enough to make me want to mess up all the other stuff.
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08-14-2016 , 05:47 AM
unique spot, so overall thought: doesn't matter either way lol.

but it is interesting despite being useless as something to learn from for your bottom line.

imo, the fact that we might have to pay time that we're not going to use makes it reasonable to fold this hand. i mean sure it's -ev, but really not by much. i'd bet it's prob not even the value of the time, which we have to pay if we win, so i think you can fold this one b/c of that.

if time wasn't a factor, i'd prob call.
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08-14-2016 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Usually having to post a kill if you win the next hand should make you play tighter. When UTG it doesn't matter nearly as much though, as you will be paying BB next hand anyway so would get the "Econokill". So if you didn't say all the introductory stuff, I would tell you to call.

...But, if I really wanted / had to leave soon, didn't want to play another round of blinds, didn't want to lose my EV by leaving on the button, had had already told someone he could have my seat within the next few minutes, I would just fold preflop. 73s isn't exciting enough to make me want to mess up all the other stuff.
+1
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08-14-2016 , 08:57 PM
lock up the win and get out of there. gambling time is over.
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08-15-2016 , 10:40 AM
I call here. If you win, you play through your button (or until you lose a kill pot - if you win 4 kill pots in a row, that is not the end of the world); if you lose, you go home right away.
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08-15-2016 , 01:59 PM
If you do stay and play the button I think its better to pay time and take your free hands up to your next bb.
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08-15-2016 , 05:20 PM
Calling is prolly worth a dollar or so... nowhere near enough to compensate for having to pay time and it sounds like you wanted to leave anyway.
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08-15-2016 , 08:22 PM
You don't have to pay time no matter what.
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08-18-2016 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
I call here. If you win, you play through your button (or until you lose a kill pot - if you win 4 kill pots in a row, that is not the end of the world); if you lose, you go home right away.
*thumbs up*
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08-24-2016 , 10:10 AM
So to set some things straight: I will never be paying time in this situation. Whenever I lose my kill, or play through the blinds/button, I can leave right after.

My problem was potentially paying the blinds without getting the 7 free hands. Granted I am winning if I keep paying them, but feels wrong.

Results:
Spoiler:
I folded. Flop comes K72. It goes bet/call. Turn T, bet/call. River 7. Bet/call and preflop raiser has AK and BB has KJ. gg $450
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08-24-2016 , 01:59 PM
I forgot to add...fold, and then immediately get up from the table, not even looking at the board to see if you would have hit anything.
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08-24-2016 , 02:20 PM
Why would I do that? It can't possibly tilt me since I am leaving the casino. Also, I need time to rack up my mounds of chips since I don't play from racks and don't rack up until I am ready to go so nobody gets extra info.
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08-27-2016 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Why would I do that? It can't possibly tilt me since I am leaving the casino. Also, I need time to rack up my mounds of chips since I don't play from racks and don't rack up until I am ready to go so nobody gets extra info.
How many mounds are we talking about? If you win the next 3 hands could you manage to have a losing session if you played until your BB?

Last edited by Kevin J; 08-27-2016 at 11:15 PM. Reason: For seriousness: Why would you do anything other than call?
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