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09-29-2015 , 03:09 AM
I think the reason for the backlash is it seems like this whole thread was a "gotcha" move that seems to be trying to prove that this ridiculous line is something more than it seems, which is terrible.

I don't know whether there was some horrible fish in this high stakes game, whether someone mis-clicked, or whether the hand was completely fabricated. The point is, the hand was played (or not played) poorly. If you think a play that is fundamentally different to the standard play has merit, it is up to you to use logic or math to show why you think that play has merit. Saying "but so and so played it this way" isn't proving anything.

It shouldn't make a difference who made the play, so the whole "experiment" of this thread seems to be based of a false line of reasoning...that somehow a bad play would become good because someone recognized as an expert made it.
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09-29-2015 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Maganda's Big Fish

C) There are bracelet winning players on this site that could have possibly explain why this play should be made the same way Pirhanna did made it
Yeah, it's called Tpirahna was 6 tabling during this hand and misclicked.
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09-29-2015 , 06:40 AM
Nooooooo! **** you so much DrOlson!!! You make two posts a year and some how find a way to scoop this

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C) There are bracelet winning players on this site that could have possibly explain why this play should be made the same way Pirhanna did made it
There may never be an opportunity to use the bracelet with this much authority ever again
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09-29-2015 , 05:25 PM
Misplayed every street. I'd rate it as nuclear abortion of a hand. As played, given atrocious line, turn bet is the least bad.

Apologies, it looks like I grunched at a 10 year old thread
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09-29-2015 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Nooooooo! **** you so much DrOlson!!! You make two posts a year and some how find a way to scoop this



There may never be an opportunity to use the bracelet with this much authority ever again
Haha, I know. I couldn't resist.
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09-29-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Maganda's Big Fish
Recently I purchased a few million hands of data of some of that data contained hand histories of some of the best online limit players at the time. T-Phiranna, OTTERKOPF, Democritos, Optimusprime, St1ckman, TexasLimitKing (when he was playing) and a few others.
I remember a few players recommending you not to spend time and money on these databases since there are many other more effective ways to improve your game.

It was also mentioned that you'd see many lines that wouldn't make sense and detrimental to your game since you wouldn't be able to tell if/why they are good, player dependent, 100/100 challenges, or drunken evening play.

Surprisingly, no one predicted how much of a waste of time it'd be for everyone else.

Last edited by Chasqui; 09-29-2015 at 07:49 PM.
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09-29-2015 , 08:30 PM
It is amazing how much time was wasted on this silly experiment by all the people posting in this thread. Did anyone get anything out that helps his game?
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09-29-2015 , 10:07 PM
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Did anyone get anything out that helps his game?
I got a hardon with I found out my bracelet gives me the authority to understand and explain tpirahna's play to you simple folk. But an erection usually makes playing harder for me

Last edited by ZOMG_RIGGED!; 09-29-2015 at 10:09 PM. Reason: I make pun!
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09-29-2015 , 11:19 PM
I want a bracelet someday..... post a picture
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09-30-2015 , 12:50 AM
So can I get a summary of this cluster of a thread? OP played TT like the passive old man who donks the A-high flop w/ KK to show everyone how they "never win" and we went into a flame-a-thon?
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09-30-2015 , 06:03 AM
There is one thing you need to learn from this thread: Any one with a limit bracelet is an expert over all of you monkeys without one
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09-30-2015 , 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
So can I get a summary of this cluster of a thread? OP played TT like the passive old man who donks the A-high flop w/ KK to show everyone how they "never win" and we went into a flame-a-thon?
Yep, with a bunch of defensive OP posts and a hint of conspiracy.
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09-30-2015 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
There is one thing you need to learn from this thread: Any one with a limit bracelet is an expert over all of you monkeys without one
Given the only event I've played involved me busting in like the third level, I can buy it
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10-01-2015 , 04:40 AM
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Given the only event I've played involved me busting in like the third level, I can buy it
you had the nut seat at that table though. i guess with your style you either run up a stack or bust out early.
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10-04-2015 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Maganda's Big Fish
I liked the idea because you could see difference in responses based on limits. That gave me the idea and sparked the interest in seeing what people would write about this hand that I came across.
There should be no difference since limits don't matter. What counts is how much the blinds put in the middle, and what percentage of the lower limit that is. Everything else is meta-game.

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The hand I came across did indeed spark interest on my part and wanted to see what 2+2 members thought of it. With complete honesty I wanted to know if there why such a great player would play a hand in that fashion.
That goes to meta-game. If he really was such a great player, then he was playing his player and the situation more than the cards he actually held.

I have taken some decidedly strange lines for that very reason: the situation -- how I read him, how I thought he read me, how he thought I thought he read me -- estimating how he would react to a non-standard line he thought was standard for a different hand than the one I was actually playing.

As for what his specific reasons were, you'd either have to ask him, or been there yourself.

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The idea there are only 2-3 ways to play this hand sounds a lot like the old dudes who thought playing ultra tight and passive was the only way to win years ago.
The old dudes were right. Back then, ante structures tended to reward set miners with cheap limps, and those with the patience to wait for the big pairs and AK.
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