Live 40

Utg is fairly passive, never bluffs ever, and never slowplays.

MP is loose, fishy, whatever.

SB is very aggro and usually too loose, but doesn't go nuts late in the hand.

Utg limps, MP limps, sb raises (super wide), I 3! TT in bb. Limpers call, sb caps (much less wide), all call.

Flop 9c4d3d. Sb bets, I raise, all call. Turn 5s, sb donks. Decision time.

FSDR.

UTG coldcalls, mp coldcalls, SB 3bets, back on you.

I would just call and fold if it comes two cold back to us. Pot is huge so I hate folding, but I don't think we're ahead all that often so I don't think we need to worry about charging the other two players to draw since we might be the one drawing.

Do we have the Td? Pretty important imo. Might fold TcTs. I mean SB like has to be delayed-3-betting an overpair here right?

I'm not really in the habit of folding overpairs for 1 bet. I think just take it to showdown and consider folding a river diamond if it's still multiway. You beat some of the big diamond draws (not sure why he wouldn't push these on the flop though).

I had a similar spot recently where I had shown a lot of strength and a LAG continued to push back. I called down my overpair expecting to lose and was shown a smaller pair. It looks like SB wants you to raise and thin the field. I wouldn't be stunned if he showed me 88 here.

On the other hand, the only hand I really expect him to have on the turn that can 3bet for value is 999, since you can credibly represent 999 and 666. I don't think you get 3bet bluffed on this turn like ever by him if it's hu when it's back to him. AKdd might b3b as a bluff/value vs fish if your raise gets a couple of calls though.

Hit your call button twice.

i think SB's aggression is less relevant than his thinking abilities. because i think any rational player has to have you beat when he bets here.... vs weird, erratic, or otherwise irrational players, you have a chance...

i raise and see how it plays out. The pot is big. This is the time to be optimistic that we have the best hand. Protect it like we do, rather than let two players draw for cheap. Regardless of what sb has, he hasn't played it well, so i see no reason to put him directly on a bigger overpair. If you get 3 bet by sb you can probably fold if you feel strongly about your read that he's not going to go nuts post flop with a fd, and if he wouldn't cap pre with something like A9.

why hasn't he played JJ+ well? Do you think 3-betting the flop or check/raising the turn are way better lines? Feels to me there are benefits and disadvantages to all three lines.

This is the standard "I have a decent pair and I don't want to get free-carded, so I'm going to donk the turn" line, isn't it?

Raise it. I see this line so often from players who fit the sb's description and while he can have you beat here somehow he can also be playing AK/AQ or even worse this way. Or it could be the one hand that he decides to go nuts throughout instead of only the beginning like you said he does. You have to weigh the cost of being up against a better hand vs the cost of having the best hand and not raising. With no mathematical basis whatsoever, I think because of the size of the pot the cost of having the best hand and not raising is much higher. That is why I vote raise. And call down if he 3 bets.

I think 3 betting the flop is a slightly better line with JJ+, although the line the sb took if he has JJ+ isn't that bad. I don't really see players who fit sb's description play JJ+ like this all that often though.

I'm raising with that read on SB

If we have the Td, call.

getting 23:1 you fold without the Td?

Or the standard commerce "I'm going to lead here with nothing because that's what everyone else does here" line.