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Old 12-02-2011, 11:50 AM   #46
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Re: open-limping in blind vs. blind situations

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I feel like maybe this is an issue of semantics if you are switching between informational advantage versus pot size since you specified that you did not thing that pot size drives value, although you then sort of write it here again.

You say we offset the positional advantage by keeping the pot small, thus magnifying our opponents mistakes. That seems opposite to me. I feel that being OOP means that we are going to make more mistakes since we have less information when we are making our decisions. Thus, the smaller pot magnifying mistakes hurts us more than our in position opponent.

In a game with fixed bet sizes, I think that larger the pot, the less the value of position. As per gaming_ question, if there is a ton of money in the pot already, it seems relatively irrelevant to me that we are OOP (tactical decisions are largely meaningless), we are going to showdown pretty much always - BB just gets to determine whether there is 100BBs or 101BBs in the pot....ho hum. In small pots that starts to have a lot of value, and tactical considerations are very significant since there huge portions of the pots value wrapped up in value/fold equity decisions.

Now, given that a large part of positional value is wrapped up in an information advantage, it definitely makes sense to me that you want to limit the information you provide for as long as possible. It just isn't really clear to me that a limping strategy is a great way to do that. In BvB situations, tactical considerations are very valuable, and I can think of some ways limping offers such advantages, but I am not sure that they are that difficult to counter by a strong playing BB.

I can't say I have thought much about this topic before right now, so I am really just spit balling here.....
Yeah, I think I misunderstood your question. I agree that a strong playing bb can counter this pretty well, and I have actually thought of some ways to do so, but I will say that there were only a handful of players I came up against that were able to do so effectively. I wont name them here, but two are 2p2ers. I guess my writing was confused. What do you think a good way to counter an aggressive bb so that you are not folding away your sb 30% of the time?
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:50 PM   #47
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Re: open-limping in blind vs. blind situations

Wasn't there a time where Deathdonkey was raising the SB polarized and open-limping middlish (connectors, but also stuff like K2s)? I remember that most opponents adjusted badly to that. It's been like 2 years since I've seen those vids, though.
I sometimes revert to some sort of strategy like that when I have a BB that just 3bets very wide, sometimes every single one of my SB opens. They play in small pots really bad in my experience.

Edit: No, these are usually not great BBs, they are just known for their relentless aggression. Obviously a competent BB would figure out what was going on eventually
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:28 PM   #48
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Re: open-limping in blind vs. blind situations

Ping.

I didn't want this thread to get lost. Over vacation I have been playing poker, watching videos, and ... starting work on code to try to analyze this situation. If I actually get anywhere I'll post.
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Old 02-03-2012, 06:08 PM   #49
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Re: open-limping in blind vs. blind situations

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