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11-28-2011, 10:41 PM
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Wot
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open-limping in blind vs. blind situations
Live 20 will always be profitable.
Hand 1:
Prop who doesn't chop, open-limps in SB, I raise in BB, he folds.
Hand 2:
I open UTG, winning nit pro 3-bets, I call.
Flop J  9  4  .
I c/c.
Turn: T 
I c/c.
River: K 
I check, nit tanks and checks back Q  Q  .
Last edited by private joker; 11-30-2011 at 01:27 AM.
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11-29-2011, 11:10 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by Captain R
Live 20 will always be profitable.
Hand 1:
Prop who doesn't chop, open-limps in SB, I raise in BB, he folds.
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did you show a sick bluff?
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11-29-2011, 12:29 PM
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by MitchL
did you show a sick bluff?
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I had J3s or something like that and elected not to show, as having him continue to ol-fold is the most profitable situation ever. You'd figure a prop who hasn't chopped in like 5 years would have a better understanding of the game.
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11-29-2011, 01:35 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by Captain R
I had J3s or something like that and elected not to show, as having him continue to ol-fold is the most profitable situation ever. You'd figure a prop who hasn't chopped in like 5 years would have a better understanding of the game. 
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I was playing a 2/3 structure yesterday. I don't chop. Most of the time I had a strong player on my left. On 3 different occasions I open folded (38o, 34o, 27o). I hate open folding in 2/3 structure but just can't play these hands for a raise profitably oop vs expert players. I was debating throwing in some lf'ing with some lrr'ing but not sure how much I like that idea either. Anyway, wasn't quite sure how to handle it. I don't play 2/3 structure enough with good players on my left.
Although in 20/40 lf'ing seems pretty bad.
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11-29-2011, 01:46 PM
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by Captain R
I had J3s or something like that and elected not to show, as having him continue to ol-fold is the most profitable situation ever. You'd figure a prop who hasn't chopped in like 5 years would have a better understanding of the game. 
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Phil Newal in "Intelligent Poker Player" suggests a strategy of open-limping 100% of the range in BvB situation OOP vs good players. I started experimenting with this online where I can't chop and find it quite useful strategy.
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11-29-2011, 02:05 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by armor32
Phil Newal in "Intelligent Poker Player" suggests a strategy of open-limping 100% of the range in BvB situation OOP vs good players. I started experimenting with this online where I can't chop and find it quite useful strategy.
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Didn't mitch also do this strat for a long time online?
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11-29-2011, 02:09 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by Palomino
Didn't mitch also do this strat for a long time online?
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I practically invented it. Most people did some form of it, but I cant recall anyone limping 100% in the sb before me. I mean besides lp fish.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/52...ery-sb-346178/
Last edited by MitchL; 11-29-2011 at 02:18 PM.
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11-29-2011, 02:24 PM
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This probably deserves it's own thread but I think just limp-calling 100% of your playable range might be better than either a limp-raising/limp-calling strategy or a lrr/lc/open raise strategy. I think it's pretty good both against good players and against all variety of lag.
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11-29-2011, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
This probably deserves it's own thread but I think just limp-calling 100% of your playable range might be better than either a limp-raising/limp-calling strategy or a lrr/lc/open raise strategy. I think it's pretty good both against good players and against all variety of lag.
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Mitch I see that's what you did. I always thought you lrr. I like it.
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11-29-2011, 02:28 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
This probably deserves it's own thread but I think just limp-calling 100% of your playable range might be better than either a limp-raising/limp-calling strategy or a lrr/lc/open raise strategy. I think it's pretty good both against good players and against all variety of lag.
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Yeah, I don't really like it midsteaks live games unless they have gotten considerably tougher since I last played. I will say that afterwhile opponents started limp-calling the sb against me mostly for shts and giggles.
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11-29-2011, 02:47 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by MitchL
I practically invented it. Most people did some form of it, but I cant recall anyone limping 100% in the sb before me. I mean besides lp fish.
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i was doing this online as well, i'm sure after you though. it was basically: if you raise, then they either call or 3b. if you just complete, they always raise. so by raising you are just letting them freeroll you with their good hands. the exploitation of this strategy, just checking some hands in the BB after a SB complete, was rarely employed by anyone, because everyone just thought, "lol look at this pussy who is just completing, i'm gonna raise his ass"
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11-29-2011, 03:28 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
i was doing this online as well, i'm sure after you though. it was basically: if you raise, then they either call or 3b. if you just complete, they always raise. so by raising you are just letting them freeroll you with their good hands. the exploitation of this strategy, just checking some hands in the BB after a SB complete, was rarely employed by anyone, because everyone just thought, "lol look at this pussy who is just completing, i'm gonna raise his ass"
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I had a guy complete vs me bvb, I was more than happy to just see a free flop with some napkins I had.
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11-29-2011, 03:31 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by Palomino
I had a guy complete vs me bvb, I was more than happy to just see a free flop with some napkins I had.
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That's when I pull off my miracle 1sb bluff to win 3sb pot on the flop.
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11-29-2011, 03:31 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
no need to brag, p
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11-29-2011, 03:40 PM
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Re: November Low-Content Thread
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Originally Posted by armor32
Phil Newal in "Intelligent Poker Player" suggests a strategy of open-limping 100% of the range in BvB situation OOP vs good players. I started experimenting with this online where I can't chop and find it quite useful strategy.
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Are you just calling your entire range when raised? Haven't read it...
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