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08-08-2012, 10:34 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Online 6 max 10/20, river line
BTN is a marginal losing LAG
BB is "ineluctable" or "insuperable" - for those of you who know him from Merge. He considers himself a "math player". In my opinion, his cold call range from BB facing 3! from SB is too wide / weak (I saw him show up with hands like Q6s from there). He does have a capping range in same spot that is stronger, obviously. Overall, he is tricky, bluffy, observant and tough to play against.
Both villains are very aggressive and insanely (even for a SD monkey like me) SD bound.
Merge - $10/$20 (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $723.00
BTN: $270.50
Hero (SB): $288.00
BB: $2,163.50
UTG: $250.00
Hero posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00
Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 5  5
fold, CO raises to $20.00, fold, Hero raises to $30.00, BB calls $20.00, CO calls $10.00
Flop: ($90.00, 3 players) 6  J  A
Hero bets $10.00, BB calls $10.00, CO calls $10.00
Turn: ($120.00, 3 players) 2
Hero bet (folds) $20.00, BB calls $20.00, CO calls $20.00
River: ($180.00, 3 players) 2
Hero ?
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08-08-2012, 10:57 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
i'd give up
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08-08-2012, 11:06 PM
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adept
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by armor32
BTN is a marginal losing LAG
BB is "ineluctable" or "insuperable" - for those of you who know him from Merge. He considers himself a "math player". In my opinion, his cold call range from BB facing 3! from SB is too wide / weak (I saw him show up with hands like Q6s from there). He does have a capping range in same spot that is stronger, obviously. Overall, he is tricky, bluffy, observant and tough to play against.
Both villains are very aggressive and insanely (even for a SD monkey like me) SD bound.
Merge - $10/$20 (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
CO: $723.00
BTN: $270.50
Hero (SB): $288.00
BB: $2,163.50
UTG: $250.00
Hero posts SB $5.00, BB posts BB $10.00
Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero has 5  5
fold, CO raises to $20.00, fold, Hero raises to $30.00, BB calls $20.00, CO calls $10.00
Flop: ($90.00, 3 players) 6  J  A
Hero bets $10.00, BB calls $10.00, CO calls $10.00
Turn: ($120.00, 3 players) 2
Hero bet (folds) $20.00, BB calls $20.00, CO calls $20.00
River: ($180.00, 3 players) 2
Hero ?
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I think I'd let BB or CO fire off a bluff w/ a c/c, or c/f an overcall. Never betting river here.
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08-08-2012, 11:10 PM
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journeyman
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
Well if you check v1 or v2 bets if there any good, and you cant really call. Personally the CO was the open raiser, BB has a ton of money in front of him, if he's laggy hes calling anything its not costing him much.
Id be very hesitant of them snap calling all the way down because there isnt a lot of draws, they didnt capp so I can take any big hands out of the range IMO. I could see Ax for sure, JT, mid, with two callers behind you and no draws you cant beat bottom pair on the flop I am check folding the turn, checks around I bet the river
IMO you bet the turn when a 2 rips off and another 2 rips off on the river you...BET make them decide I would be willing to bet you were beat.
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08-08-2012, 11:53 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by i4c14u
Well if you check v1 or v2 bets if there any good, and you cant really call. Personally the CO was the open raiser, BB has a ton of money in front of him,
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this is a limit holdem forum
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08-08-2012, 11:55 PM
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journeyman
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
this is a limit holdem forum
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I know well the poker tracker 3 designates him BB or bb
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08-08-2012, 11:55 PM
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East Coast Elephant
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
why did you bet the turn? i'd check/fold it there
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08-09-2012, 12:07 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by i4c14u
I know well the poker tracker 3 designates him BB or bb
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i'm saying it's fixed limit betting, the money in front of him doesn't matter
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08-09-2012, 12:08 AM
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
why did you bet the turn? i'd check/fold it there
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i was going to post this but wasn't 100% sure. i actually think the turn might be the most interesting spot, and yeah personally i would c/f but it's one of the spots i don't feel confident about
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08-09-2012, 12:10 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
why did you bet the turn? i'd check/fold it there
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Do you think it is not close? I think I can be ahead of weaker pocket pairs (not many combos, bit still), K hi gutshots, as well as get 77-99 to fold sometimes. BTN peels sometime rediculouos stuff as well, I probably should have mentioned that in the OP. Also, I don't want to get bluffed by gutshots and can rather safely fold to a raise.
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08-09-2012, 12:26 AM
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journeyman
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
i'm saying it's fixed limit betting, the money in front of him doesn't matter
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I was only referencing the fact he has 2k in a 10/20 game, and he is laggy and has a wide range so calling 20 isnt shocking.
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08-09-2012, 12:40 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
i was going to post this but wasn't 100% sure. i actually think the turn might be the most interesting spot, and yeah personally i would c/f but it's one of the spots i don't feel confident about
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Yep, agree turn is probably more interesting but I thought just post entire hand since turn would be discussed anyway.
The way how 6Max game is evolving makes me find excuses to not fold anything remotely showdownable... and I think in this spot betting is easier way to get to SD.
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08-09-2012, 01:02 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
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Originally Posted by i4c14u
I was only referencing the fact he has 2k in a 10/20 game, and he is laggy and has a wide range so calling 20 isnt shocking.
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i see, but this guy is a laggy online pro, he's not a fish. i doubt he's playing differently with 50BB than he would with 25BB.
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08-09-2012, 01:36 AM
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old hand
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Re: Online 6 max 10/20, river line
I give up on the turn
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08-09-2012, 02:14 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gaming_mouse
i see, but this guy is a laggy online pro, he's not a fish. i doubt he's playing differently with 50BB than he would with 25BB.
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He surely doesn't, stack size is irrelevant
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