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Don't you prefer to get 2 bets from A high, random hands and all pairs you beat instead of having them fold and get charged 3 bets by better? This is HU poker 101, and this board is the textbook example of this simple concept.

For the reasons already gone over in the thread imo

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02-12-2016 , 11:36 PM

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Jon_locke

Pooh-Bah

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What do you raise on the turn?

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02-12-2016 , 11:49 PM

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ZOMG_RIGGED!

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 17,504

x3 or better

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02-13-2016 , 12:00 AM

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CrazyLond

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,931

I don't raise anything on the turn

Edit: never mind, I might. I don't know. I'm tired and can't think, please ignore this post.

Last edited by CrazyLond; 02-13-2016 at 12:12 AM.

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02-13-2016 , 12:17 AM

#30

ZOMG_RIGGED!

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 17,504

Well, you should probably at least raise 99...

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02-13-2016 , 01:01 AM

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Loopshot1

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1,236

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Originally Posted by Chasqui

How are you getting 2 bets from A hi? Because he's betting the river for value or because he's c/c to bluff catch? Your poker 101 is going to result in you losing to KQ(one of the aforementioned random hands) but not so random that it doesn't have equity against us.

As far as the fit or fold goes the games I play in if a player isn't getting a price to call w their QJo they'll just decide to aggro w it instead.

Not to mention the pairs you stated we beat we gain an extra bet from cuz ain't nobody folding a FH HU in LHE.

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02-14-2016 , 07:27 PM

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Chasqui

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,749

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Originally Posted by Loopshot1

You can't have it both ways:

- If we are gaining an extra bet from some pairs when he doesn't fold, we are losing 2 extra bets against his premiums (we lose overall unless he's 3 betting 22-55)
- Yes, on the river, he'll hit one of his few outs that beat us, but he'll also hit his 9, 8,T to pay us off holding Ax that he could otherwise folded.

Another benefit:
- We get to raise the river 4% of the time when we hit.

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02-20-2016 , 06:43 AM

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PaulValente

grinder

Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 645

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Originally Posted by UpHillBothWays

this is a super easy call down. if he has 88/77 then woohoo for him and he saved 1bb. you expose yourself too much by raising vs. the top of his range and he's not calling down all the way w/ his big ahighs enough to make up for it.

he WILL though bet his ak/aq on the river (def ak, very possibly aq since he thinks you bluff too much and thus likely thinks you call too much b/c you think others bluff too much as well). if he checks then you get to bet and fold unless you've seen him k/r bluff a river before. if he's good enough to realize he needs to turn AK into a bluff after he checks river and you bet and knows that you "can't call" w/ your weaker pair (you don't have KK/AA, maybe QQ since you just called turn) AND he hasn't shown you this before, then he wins the pot imo.

This

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