Thanks a lot! That's explanation I was missing, I am convinced again. Much appreciated, Captain.

Also, position, outplay your opponents post, etc, etc.

Raise in position

My button limp range is basically zero.

Unless there are maybe 4 or more limpers and I have some sort of QT or J9s I see myself very rarely (again, if ever) limping on the button. I'm raising suited connectors and definitely KTo...In poker when you raise you take the initiative as the first person announcing strength which goes a long way towards winning pots without as showdown, balancing range, and creating larger pots for you to be paid in when you make your hand.

Limping button is basically announcing to table that you have a marginal hand.
Lol unless you "balance" your button limping range by limping aces but then you'd just be horrible

You know how we say "+1" when we agree with something? "-1" does not even begin to cover my disagreement with this drivel

for the sake of discussion please expand. also, i was maybe using a bit of hyperbole. i was basically trying to say that in general i think limping the button is a slightly donkish play..i don't know very many spots where good players wouldn't elect to just release their hand than to take the initiative...

You're basically killing your own implied odds for the sake of a saying given to beginners to keep them from playing too loose, "raise or fold". This is due to the fact that beginners want to play hands and tend not to recognize correct spots to limp/overlimp. What hands? Well, ones that you'd like to make money with later. Speculative hands don't want to pay a big price. In a loose/passive showdown bound game, initiative is easily overrated. Also, you already have the button, making our position the CO you at least have the added benefit of driving the actual button out of the hand and getting last action. Since we already have the button, we don't have to worry about paying more for it.

Armor said the blinds are loose, so let's assume there will be 4 opponents in the pot with our without a raise from us. Does 44 want to build a pot if this crew pairs up and shows down? How about A3s? 75s? There are plenty of hands in this spot where an expert shrugs, throws in 3 or 4 chips, and sees a flop.

Learn to be comfortable without initiative. I'd fix your post by replacing "good players" with "bad TAGs". Sometimes you have enough equity to call and you don't have enough to really want to raise. There should be a middle in having a hand too good to fold. Bad players are in the pot. You have the freaking button. You're looking for an excuse to see a flop because you're good at poker and this is a good situation.

FYP

loose and predictable opponents make this a playable situation.

BMWOT how you proceed depends heavily on the blinds and how you would like to play this hand against the bad limpers. put a good aggressive and strategically creative player in the blind and I could find a fold w/ KTo.