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Old 02-07-2012, 04:21 AM   #1
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This must be a standard spot with AK

40 @Bay101, villain is a TAG, ~30 y.o. Asian dude with shades. Not cdc, for all those who enjoy leveling me He also views me as a TAG, most likely.
He opens UTG+2 or 3, I 3! AKo OTB blinds fold he calls. He never caps HU OOP.
Flop 9T2ss which he check raises and I call.
Turn 9 and he fires. Plan from here? If we call, what rivers should we call UI ?
Turning this hand into bluff by raising anywhere or betting if he checks river is stupid, right?
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:25 AM   #2
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Re: This must be a standard spot with AK

I would call the turn and fold any spade river or Q/J/8/7 rivers. All others I would call. There's no card I would raise.

Also it would help a lot to know if you have the As or Ks in your hand -- it greatly affects the number of combos he can have (Axss, Kxss) that we are ahead of.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:25 AM   #3
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Re: This must be a standard spot with AK

Yup, this is pretty standard.

Joker's line and folding to the turn check raise are #1 and #2, respectively.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:34 AM   #4
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Re: This must be a standard spot with AK

I'm at least seeing the river here always vs this player type but folding a Q J 8 river, and calling down with all others.

I'm never turning this hand into a bluff or betting the river when checked to.
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Old 02-07-2012, 11:38 AM   #5
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Re: This must be a standard spot with AK

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I would call the turn and fold any spade river or Q/J/8/7 rivers. All others I would call. There's no card I would raise.

Also it would help a lot to know if you have the As or Ks in your hand -- it greatly affects the number of combos he can have (Axss, Kxss) that we are ahead of.
+1 to all this
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:21 PM   #6
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I'm raising a K
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:29 PM   #7
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Also it would help a lot to know if you have the As or Ks in your hand -- it greatly affects the number of combos he can have (Axss, Kxss) that we are ahead of.
Could you share more detail on computing those combo numbers? Do you assume he check raises the flop with A hi FD?
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:43 PM   #8
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Re: This must be a standard spot with AK

eg, if you hold As, he cannot hold any Axss draws....

now let's say you think he opens only A7s+, then that is 7*4 = 28 fd combos you can remove from his range.
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I'm raising a K
Why? To get called by what? Given that QJ gets there on the K river, I think he'd be pretty foolish to call with a T or JJ/QQ unless we have shown a propensity to bluffraise rivers like this. But given OP's description of his image vs. villain, it doesn't sound like we're the bluffy type.

Also he's never folding a 9 or AA on the K river (not that there was any bluff equity in that raise regardless), and there aren't very many worse kings in his range except the Kxss combos (which, if he opened UTG, have to be pretty much just KQss, KJss -- and that's assuming we don't have the Ks in our hand -- which armor still hasn't told us if he did -- so it could be zero combos).
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I would call the turn and fold any spade river or Q/J/8/7 rivers. All others I would call. There's no card I would raise.

Also it would help a lot to know if you have the As or Ks in your hand -- it greatly affects the number of combos he can have (Axss, Kxss) that we are ahead of.
Do you think he's going to be semi-bluffing with all his Axss combos?
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I'm raising a K
I'd be interested to hear some reasons why.
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Do you think he's going to be semi-bluffing with all his Axss combos?
I certainly think those hands are in his range given this flop and turn action (unless we have the As in our hand).
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:18 PM   #13
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Why? To get called by what? Given that QJ gets there on the K river, I think he'd be pretty foolish to call with a T or JJ/QQ unless we have shown a propensity to bluffraise rivers like this. But given OP's description of his image vs. villain, it doesn't sound like we're the bluffy type.

Also he's never folding a 9 or AA on the K river (not that there was any bluff equity in that raise regardless), and there aren't very many worse kings in his range except the Kxss combos (which, if he opened UTG, have to be pretty much just KQss, KJss -- and that's assuming we don't have the Ks in our hand -- which armor still hasn't told us if he did -- so it could be zero combos).
Just curious:

Given the images do you think he checks a K on the river with a T, JJ or QQ? What about an A on the river? Or would he fire another barrel into those cards?

In the case of an A, would the AXs hands make up enough of his "c/r - bet - bet" range for us to raise, or is that range still weighted too heavily toward hands that beat the A?
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:39 PM   #14
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Do you think he's going to be semi-bluffing with all his Axss combos?
Yes, this is exactly my question, too. IMHO, he is not going to.
PJ: no, none of spades in my hand
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now let's say you think he opens only A7s+, then that is 7*4 = 28 fd combos you can remove from his range.
huh?
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