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02-05-2012, 02:25 PM
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grinder
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Mos Def
Joker opens in MP and the fishy button cold calls. I call BB 3 ways.
Q74tt
Joker bets fish folds I raise joker calls.
6r
I bet joker calls
Ar
Help me construct ranges for various actions. Or is that too ambitious?
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02-05-2012, 02:27 PM
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#2
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journeyman
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Mos Def
C/r river, easy game.
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02-05-2012, 03:56 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: Mos Def
He has few aces in his range, no? Is the flop suited? I'd bet for value here.
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02-05-2012, 04:37 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Re: Mos Def
jokers range is full of hands( 9s,ts,js )that A doesnt help
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02-05-2012, 04:59 PM
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grinder
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Re: Mos Def
I don't actually remember what position he opened, but it was probably like the lowjack. 9.5, what hands would you bet for value? Did you notice I did not specify my holding?
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02-05-2012, 05:39 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Nov 2008
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Re: Mos Def
This is a great exercise.
I'm probably too weak to provide input but I'll take a shot just to get discussion going. Please don't flame too hard.
flop C/R: 22+, AK, A[Q74], K[Q74], QX, X7, 76s?, combo draws, flush draws
flop K/C: AJ-A8,A6-A2,JT, 98, ... do we need more?
flop K/F: T9,JX
turn: ???
river K/R bluff: some broken draws
river K/F: K-high and worse
river K/C: A9-2,...
river B/F: QX,AJ-AT,...
river B/C: AK,A7,A6,A4
river K/R: AQ
river B/3: AA,QQ
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02-05-2012, 07:10 PM
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veteran
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If you were playing your hand blind (and joker didn't know) you should check raise.
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02-05-2012, 07:12 PM
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veteran
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ...one...
jokers range is full of hands( 9s,ts,js )that A doesnt help
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So what does that mean about your action?
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02-05-2012, 07:58 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Jan 2012
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I think it would be nice to know how strong your hand is here, because I assume joker will bet if checked to a majority of the time. I also think that you think he is tricky enough to raise if you bet out. We know that he's capable of folding to a c/r here as well.
If you were looking to value bet the river, I would check and let him bet my hand for me. If you're holding some sort of busted draw here I think you go for the river c/r/f. I don't put something like A5 out of range for him here fwiw.
/2 scotches deep and kinda watching the puppy bowl. This thread made my head hurt a bit
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02-05-2012, 11:25 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2011
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Re: Mos Def
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
So what does that mean about your action?
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i bet riv 4 value with any Q or better
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02-05-2012, 11:54 PM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Playing It Smart
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Re: Mos Def
I'm sure that everybody out listenin agree
That everything you see ain't really how it be
A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style
Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile
Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria
Synthesized surface conceals the interior
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02-06-2012, 12:58 AM
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veteran
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ...one...
i bet riv 4 value with any Q or better
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All the hands you listed can't call.
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02-06-2012, 01:32 AM
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veteran
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Re: Mos Def
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
If you were playing your hand blind (and joker didn't know) you should b/3b
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imo
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02-06-2012, 05:02 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Dec 2011
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Re: Mos Def
c/f some 7's and worse value hands along with some missed bluffs
c/r two pears and better* and some bluffs
c/c super low frequency with something like a 7, bluff-catchers
as for frequencies, no idea
Last edited by bisu; 02-06-2012 at 05:18 AM.
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02-06-2012, 05:14 AM
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veteran
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Re: Mos Def
Quote:
Originally Posted by bisu
c/f some 7's and worse value hands along with some missed bluffs
c/r better than two pears and some bluffs
c/c super low frequency with something like a 7, bluff-catchers
as for frequencies, no idea
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that's awful. What if he has a weak queen or any pp below it.
Now we lost a ton of value.
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