Currently 9 handed game, that's tightened up since the afternoon lags have departed. UTG is tight passive; Villian in MP is also tight passive(but not totally lost) I would say he figures me for TAGish.


UTG limps, hero utg+3 raises with A/Qo, villain in MP 3! folds around UTG cold calls, I call. I give him a 3! range of 10s + maybe AK.

To the flop 10.5sb.

As, Jx, Qs,

check,check, Villain bets, UTG folds, Hero C/R, Villain 3! Hero calls.

Cap worthy?

Turn 8.5bb.

Ax

Hero ?


Thanks for all your thoughts!

nh

fist pump with each raise after turn.

Give us your flop reasoning.

His most likely hand is JJ now. So you have to decide if you can get more bets in with a c/r (maybe get him to a 3! you can 4!) or a donk/3!. I am torn but lean toward donk/3! because there is always the chance he was doing some dumb fc play with KK, plus his being tight passive makes it less likely he'll 3! a c/r, whereas I think his raising a donk with JJ or QQ is much more likely.

for the c/r or for not 4! ?

the c/r is because that's about gin for my hand, I can't play totally scared. As for not 4! he 3! so I put him on jj or qq, it's spewing chips to 4! there imo.


As for the turn I went for the c/r, as I didn't see how he could check the turn.

Since you have described the villian as passive I would lead the turn. That's really your only chance of getting more than two bets in and avoids the turn check through which would be a disaster with a hand this strong.

One to three bets is better than zero to two bets so lead.

I don't understand the thread title. Preflop is totally standard, and the flop is totally standard. (More action is silly given the range Hero puts villain on -- we're only beating AK and he likely wouldn't even 3-bet the flop with that hand if he's passive).

As for the turn, we don't even know what Hero is going to do, but you have the nuts so I doubt you'll be missing value as long as you never stop betting or raising. I would bet/3-bet because if you c/r he'll just call down JJ, but if you b/3, he'll call down a 3-bet with JJ. Same with QQ I suppose (even though that's only one combo). That said, if he is putting you on AK, then he may 3-bet a c/r, in which case you can 4-bet. Neither option is that bad -- again, you have the nuts, so it's a pretty boring question. Next hand.

The thread title is in reference to the turn action, which I missed value by going for a c/r.

thanks for all the thoughts everyone ! I'll work on getting a more interesting hand for next time!

Villain cannot have anything but QQ, JJ, and AKs here, IMO. QQ (1 combo) is drawing dead, JJ (3 combos) has 1 out, and AKs (1 combo) has 3 outs. Weighted average of 1.2 outs. Just keep shoveling money into this pot.

Edit: if he can have AKo, that increases him to four 3-out combos. Still, weighted average of 1.875 outs, so it changes nothing.

In the commerce 40 the flop 3! Is exactly AK, KK, TT, or a spade draw you say he can't have, so I definitely donk the turn. Vs a passive player absent more info....I'd still bet/3 I think.

C/r ainec imo. Because you didnt cap the flop, he almost always bet turn...his entire 3bet + flop 3bet range destroys this flop, but you end up peeling the absolute nuts. C/r turn and bet/raise/cap every opportunity thereafter. Capping the flop is questionable, but AK is the only hand that we beat that he 3bets with. Everything else has us crushed. He can still even have AA otf at that point......so i actually prefer the flat call. Let him go ape**** with AK if he wants. Dont turn our hand face up, and dont get bets in behind.....its either one or the other so the flat call is perfect imo.

I thought it was worth mentioning.

The turn went check, check(which made me sick and left me wondering how I could let that happen)

River was a K, I bet and got a 10 second chat and a call from kings full.

First of all, don't be results-oriented.

Second of all, even if you had to be results-oriented, don't you think he would have folded KK to a turn bet?

Thirdly, I think you need to revise your read that he's tight-passive. He 3-bet an AQJ flop with KK for a free card. That's neither tight nor passive. It's just stupid.

Grunch
Pf and OTF are good. Vs this villian - tp - i don't think he'd check back but I would go ape**** if he did so I think I'd hesitate and donk - and ldo raise if he raises.

I actually think being results-oriented here is somewhat appropriate. In my previous post, I mentioned the chance of KK making a fc play as one of the reasons I prefer bet here. I think saying that he would have folded the turn is a bit wishful, though of course possible. Overall, I think a turn bet is better than a c/r, and we shouldn't dismiss that by saying we can't go wrong either way. Yes, both plays are obviously +EV, but as always we're interested in relative differences, not absolute values.