the table was playing kind of snug, and heros image was rather tight
i dont think that villain would be able to delay semibluff a draw.

Hero raises AKo in ep
asian guy cold calls in lp
rest fold

Flop: KJ6r
Hero bets
asian calls

Turn: KJ65r
Hero bets
asian raises
Hero...

are the merits of inducing outweighed by our equity?
simple 3bet still?

Standard 20 players dont wait for the turn with one pair, call down and take a note.

I check the turn.

call/call. I don't get why you'd want to check the turn here, just bet the nuts, don't get fancy.

3bet all day long. second pair/middle pair raise on the turn in position is almost a given in this spot, at least by ME if I was villan. CHECKING THE TURN IS COMPLETE INSANITY! AJo, JTo, 99, KTo depends on his range, but I would 3 bet...

option 2 is call/call, but me personall dont like just calling in a 25/50 game thats a 4/8 play I rather fold the turn then call/call IMO

Why?

Checking the turn is awful here. Way too many hands in his range we need to get value from, and almost all of those hands will check behind.

I think 3-betting the turn is correct. He has KQ/KT a ton, sometimes QT. You won't get 4-bet by a worse hand ever, not even by 2 pair, so you can safely fold. But he'll cry-call down KQ/KT. So yeah, 3-bet.

In my experience, if he peels that flop texture after ccing an ep raise from an assumedly not wild preflop player, he's not checking back the turn. Why is he bothering to float an ep open if not to stick it to us when he outflops us and we have to give up with AQ/AT/99 or to run some bizarro bluff against the same? Give him the rope.

You're giving him too much credit for thinking like you would, trying to float/outplay people and all this nonsense. He's a live 25 player. He cold-called because he had a hand he didn't want to throw away like AT or JT or whatever. He flopped a pair or a broadway gutshot or whatever, so he peeled. This is most of the time what has happened, and if we check the turn he'll be delighted that his peel bought him a free look at the river.

I came back to add that the pot is small on the turn, 3.5BB after [s]we[/s]I check. Those few times that I give free cards don't really hurt that much.

We must have very different player models/experiences since just about all the non-special players (and this is supposed to be a pretty meh game as stated in the OP) I can think of are cackling with glee on the inside for just having outflopped AQ/TT and betting to charge the 7 out hands. Just sayin.

Call/call lose is my standard line here.

Checking the turn is horrendous.

Munga, I'd say the likelihood of someone trying to float you here and take the pot when you check, is about the same as him raising with said garbage. He's going to have hands that might bet once that would fold some % of the time, but largely we're just losing value against hands that would either raise for value on their own (KQ) or would bet once and check behind but call our bet twice.

c/r isn't terrible with the perfect player since I think b/3b is a little spewy but our hand is quite strong. c/c bad.

Ha me too. On the east coast I can't 3-bet the turn here but if I were in the Commerce I would at least think about it (but I likely just call down.)

And JFC checking the turn is terrible.

I regret using the word "float". It connotes much more bluff than I think I need to make checking preferable.

So, gentlemen, with what are you checking the turn?

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Board: KdJh6s5c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 55.75% 55.75% 0.00% { AKo }
MP3 44.25% 44.25% 0.00% { 6d6h, 6d6c, 6h6c, 5d5h, 5d5s, 5h5s, KQs, KTs, 87s, 65s, KsJs, KcJc, KTo, KhQd, KhQs, KhQc, KsQd, KsQh, KsQc, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs, KhJd, KhJs, KhJc, KsJd, KsJc, KcJd, KcJs }

we have 55% equity using this range that excludes QTo. does anyone like a 3bet with this much equity?

if villain shows up with two pair or better we should be just calling down on the turn in the future as his range is very strong for raising turns? or maybe even fold depending on how passive he is?

should villain ever show up with a delayed semibluff ie QT our equity would be close to 65% and this would make it a 3bet+call down all most every time because of the math?

if villain just shows up with just a king we should continue to call down from the turn? reasoning to keep his range wide enough that we can still win on the river with our non nut hand.

if villain shows up with complete air we have a 3bet and call down with the same reasoning as a delayed semibluff?