Two Plus Two Publishing LLC Two Plus Two Publishing LLC
 

Go Back   Two Plus Two Poker Forums > Limit Texas Hold'em > Medium Stakes Limit

Notices

Medium Stakes Limit Discussions of medium stakes limit Texas Hold'em

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-02-2012, 09:10 AM   #1
Pooh-Bah
 
nonsimplesimon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 3,732
Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

Canterbury Park 9 handed

Villain is a lag and is extremely annoying, trash talking spoiled young white kid who looks like the son of Joe Pesci or him when he was twelve years old. He belittles fish and just won't shut up about his "glory days" in the "big games" lol ... Dude is a super phony. I saw him put in six bets otf for a free card. And then he belittled the opponent for playing tptk so aggressively lol! He is pretty laggy pf too. He almost always opens. He is sitting two seats to my right and naturally I've been religiously three betting him and winning. He went off on me when my JTs held up lol.

I have KdJd in the sb

There are two limps and Little Pesci raises in the co. I 3b. Bb folds and limpers calls. Little Pesci just calls.

Flop 4w (12sb): 8s5h3h ... I bet and one of the limpers calls and Little Pesci raises. I call. The lone limper calls.

Turn 3w (9bb): 9c ... I check call Little Pesci's cbet (do we really have six clean outs here)? Limper folds.

River HU (11bb): ... I Check fold?

What cards that don't Improve my hand do I check call with if I am not check folding? None, some or all?

Honestly if he was free carding with Hearts a lot of combos beat me in this 3!pf pot. If he has ANY pp I'm beat. If he has 67 I'm beat. Really I'm hoping for him to have gotten frisky with JT QT QJ maybe KT but the number of combos aren't enough to justify call here? Especially on any board pairing or stupid card like a trey or an off suit deuce? I wanted to show up this merfer with a hero call down with king high but i felt i just couldn't do it. Am I giving him too much credit given the description?

Conversely if a "scare card" drops I think raising for a bluff is silly because he seems showdown bound and I haven't seen him bf yet. Hypothetically if he has played bigger games and is capable of bet folding would anybody raise any of the scare cards otr to fold out a big over pair or kickered hand?

Thoughts on other streets are appreciated as well.

Thanks for the fb.
nonsimplesimon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2012, 10:32 AM   #2
journeyman
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Depends on the day.
Posts: 217
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

Does he bet horses a lot to (irrelevant)? IMO I personally fold the river UI. I think his range is so wide he could have 3c4c, Ax, 7d8d, and its just not worth a K high call IMO. I guess I would fold and try and punish his bad play later, and you will im positive of that.

I guess if your determined to call obv any K, J, any non-H board pair since you give him credit on H's it seems some of the time, any card non-H 9 or less, but I just think there is more cards that I can fold, then I can call IMO.
i4c14u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2012, 11:51 AM   #3
old hand
 
rodeo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: the merge gaming network
Posts: 1,317
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

spite is never the right reason to make a light call down.
rodeo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2012, 12:43 PM   #4
stranger
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 14
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

Quote:
Originally Posted by rodeo View Post
spite is never the right reason to make a light call down.
+1

I'm waiting for a better spot vs this villain. And from the description there will be many.
Everon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-02-2012, 12:50 PM   #5
stranger
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 14
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

If he is a thinking player I may be more inclined to c/r turn and fold to a !3 than make a hero call on the end. You are putting in the same amount of bets and I think giving yourself a better chance.
Everon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2012, 01:06 AM   #6
centurion
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 103
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Everon View Post
If he is a thinking player I may be more inclined to c/r turn and fold to a !3 than make a hero call on the end. You are putting in the same amount of bets and I think giving yourself a better chance.
What is our river plan if we take the initiative on the turn?

Are we leading blanks or shutting down?

Are we now able to rep 's and leading if one lands (pretty sure the answer is no, but in the heat of the moment I might lead a river )

Hopefully these are not obvious questions, but I always end up kicking myself when I look back on a fancy play with a villain who tends to be showdown bound. =\
Laminated Effect is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2012, 02:31 PM   #7
Minbet Master
 
bugstud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: neverending life tilt
Posts: 13,969
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

I wouldn't 3 pre, 9 is basically the worst card in the deck since you only beat 45 57 and worse than KJ high hearts, if you're inclined to call down, do so on all non-heart board pairs and aces.
bugstud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2012, 04:24 PM   #8
grinder
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 480
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

This is a fine spot to cold call preflop. If i were inclined to continue on the turn, id raise.
ninefingershuffle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2012, 07:32 PM   #9
Minbet Master
 
bugstud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: neverending life tilt
Posts: 13,969
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

Quote:
Originally Posted by bugstud View Post
I wouldn't 3 pre, 9 is basically the worst card in the deck since you only beat 45 57 and worse than KJ high hearts, if you're inclined to call down, do so on all non-heart board pairs and aces.
I misread the board as you can see with what straight draws I claimed you beat. Seems like you should call turn fold river without improving, you only beat a few fd combos and 64.
bugstud is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 08:32 AM   #10
veteran
 
efficacy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: bloggin
Posts: 3,302
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

To those advocating a turn check-raise: Are we expecting villain to fold pairs on this board texture? OP's villain description seems to suggest otherwise, but I could be wrong.
efficacy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 08:53 AM   #11
journeyman
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: anywhere and everywhere
Posts: 334
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

Quote:
Originally Posted by efficacy View Post
To those advocating a turn check-raise: Are we expecting villain to fold pairs on this board texture? OP's villain description seems to suggest otherwise, but I could be wrong.
i think thats right
ive been encountering the same impertinent behaviour at my local casino and trying to restrain myself from this form of tilt
villans days are numbered just not on this hand
cash once said "i shot a man in Reno just to watch him die"
he was on tilt too
colt45ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 11:32 AM   #12
Pooh-Bah
 
armor32's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Verifying chips
Posts: 3,697
I cold call pre, fold turn.
armor32 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 11:24 AM   #13
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
AlanBostick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: We're all Lebowskis on this bus
Posts: 7,887
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

If the villain had just opened, I'd be fine with the pf 3!; but there are two limpers in the picture. How does our hand stack up against their ranges? I'm inclined to fold this preflop, as I don't like 3-betting and I don't like flat-calling.

As played, k/f the river is good.
AlanBostick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 05:07 PM   #14
Carpal \'Tunnel
 
gaming_mouse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: taking notes on u (see profile)
Posts: 11,993
Re: Live 20: KJs sb call down ui?

i don't cbet that flop
gaming_mouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 07:35 PM   #15
adept
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Playing It Smart
Posts: 806
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlanBostick View Post
If the villain had just opened, I'd be fine with the pf 3!; but there are two limpers in the picture. How does our hand stack up against their ranges? I'm inclined to fold this preflop, as I don't like 3-betting and I don't like flat-calling.
Really? I call KJs in sb all day with the 2 limpers.
obi_wang is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply
      

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2008-2010, Two Plus Two Interactive