Saturday night 20. Running like God tonight.

SB is a loose passive. BB is a big on the maniacal side with a sinking range that can consist of anything from total air to sets. Seems to choose between donking these hands and xr them at random.

I hold T 9 UTG 7 handed

Action:

I open, both blinds call

Flop: Q 6 3

They check and I decide to check it back.

Thoughts?

Very easy bet against passive/bad players.

One advantage is your hand is a bit different than it will look like. Possible you can pick up the pot on a turn A/K/J

I can't imagine checking here. I'd rather check like two jacks than this hand.

BB is not passive by any stretch of the imagination.

Your range is to strong and there are to many hands they can fold on the flop or flop and turn. Not saying I necessarily would but if I was gonna check back 9-10s would prefer a board like 4-5-6 with a soade

I prefer the cbet in lone paint rainbowy dryness and more checky d check in coordination. Do not know if my thinking is correct. Bet.

I'd check J63 with a spade but would bet this hand.

Why though? You have a jack. You're drawing to A,K,Q as scare cards. Especially w image, icing on the cake imo.

If you're looking for a gto chk back range you should pull hands from the middle of your total range. Given that you opened utg 7 handed this hand is at the bottom of your range and must be bluffed. This hand would be much more interesting if you opened from the btn imo

since you are running like god you should definitely bet

Why gto against loose passive?

I'm popping the turn repping trips as played.

Don't.

I love checking hands back and this is really bad.

I agree. If the opponents have noticed that you are running like god, they are more likely to fold their hands that whiffed the flop but currently beat you.

If BB c/r then we have a problem.

I actually think T9s makes an ok check back candidate.

If hero does have a xb range, I think hero should have some bluffs in the event an A or K comes on the turn. The middle suited connectors all seem like good candidates.

I understand the concept that suited connectors are on the bottom of hero's range and should thus be bluffed. However I think to balance the A-high/K-high check backs, hero should also have some hands that can actually improve on middle cards.

I think the weakest suited connectors (no bdfd, fewest cards to make oesd/double-belly, lowest hand ranking) should be bluffed.

How much hero should cbet is probably up for debate.

Granted there's a loose passive, I'd cbet more pairs, high hands, and bluffs.
Granted there's also a maniac, I'd check back more pairs, high hands and bluffs.

Here's some analysis:

hero's range:
66+, ATo+, KJo+, A4s+, K9s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T8s+, 98s, 87s (16.44%)

loose passive range:
22-TT, A2o-AQo, K9o+, Q8o+, J9o+, T8o+, 98o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 54o, all suited except AQs and AKs (52.94%)

maniac range:
everything except 27o, 28o, JJ+, AKs, and AQs (94.87%)

Against just the LP (prolly cbet 95%-100%):

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

112,849,110 trials (Exhaustive)

board: Q63

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
22-TT, Ax[2y-Qy], Kx[9y-Qy], Qx[8y-Jy], Jx[9y-Ty], Tx[8y-9y], 9x8y, 8x7y, 7x6y, 6x5y, 5x4y, Ax[2x-Jx], [3-K]*:xx	40.14%	44,338,954	1,916,016
66-AA, Ax[Ty-Ky], Kx[Jy-Qy], Ax[4x-Kx], Kx[9x-Qx], Qx[9x-Jx], Jx[9x-Tx], Tx[8x-9x], 9x8x, 8x7x	59.86%	66,594,140	1,916,016

Against just the maniac (prolly cbet 90%-95%):

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: Q63

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
100%![JJ-AA]!AK!AxQx!2x[7y-8y]	38.11%	225,499	6,372
66-AA, Ax[Ty-Ky], Kx[Jy-Qy], Ax[4x-Kx], Kx[9x-Qx], Qx[9x-Jx], Jx[9x-Tx], Tx[8x-9x], 9x8x, 8x7x	61.89%	368,129	6,372

Against both (prolly cbet 95%*90% = 85.5%):

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: Q63

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
100%![JJ-AA]!AK!AxQx!2x[7y-8y]	27.26%	160,220	6,832
22-TT, Ax[2y-Qy], Kx[9y-Qy], Qx[8y-Jy], Jx[9y-Ty], Tx[8y-9y], 9x8y, 8x7y, 7x6y, 6x5y, 5x4y, Ax[2x-Jx], [3-K]*:xx	29.26%	170,950	9,285
66-AA, Ax[Ty-Ky], Kx[Jy-Qy], Ax[4x-Kx], Kx[9x-Qx], Qx[9x-Jx], Jx[9x-Tx], Tx[8x-9x], 9x8x, 8x7x	43.48%	256,766	8,329

If I were to pick a check back range, it'd be heavily between these options:

pairs: JcJx (2), TcTs (1),
no bdfd ace highs: Ac5c (1), Ac7c (1), Ac8c (1), Ac9c (1), AcTc (1), AcJc (1),
no bdfd king highs: KcJx (3), KcTx or KxTc (6), Kc9c (1),
no bdfd air: JcTc (1), Jc9c (1), Tc9c (1)
bdfd air: Jx9x (3), Tx8x (3), 8x7x (3)

xb %: 15.5% (31/200)

If the maniac can actually hand read, I'd probably toss in 6c6s and AcAs as well.

Fold pre

Tiger if we open 16% utg 7 handed your argument might hold water. I think that's way too wide. Still not folding this exact hand pre though.

I thought we discussed this. It's not 'utg 7 handed' it's 'EP' or '5' or 'minijack' or something . . .

if we're going to check back any combos of t9s, do it without the bdfd... which allows you to bet/call comfortably ^_^ also i think checking back this flop is very poor as we are basically at the stone nut low of our range.

Check backs + mixed strategy comes from the lower/middle parts of our range mostly. Nut hands + bottom of range should almost always bet.

The bottom line is that range v range we are 60/40 against a reasonable defending range and almost 62% vs a too wide defending range. If we have a chk back range here it should be very very small and should not include any hands as weak as T high.

Yeah at the time I was trying to go for a delayed cbet because my opponents were going to play the turn so poorly, but I do agree that this check back is a bad play in the long run. A much better strategy is to bet the flop and continue barreling if I turn equity.

I think cbetting our entire range vs both blinds on this texture is a small mistake here. sb called preflop as well.

also hu vs a an expert BB we should only have ~55% equity on this flop. else BB is overdefending preflop imho.

I used pairs, Axs, A8, K7s, K9, Q8s, Q9, J8s, J8, T7s, T8, 97s, 97, 86s, 75s, 65s. What would your defend range be here? I am assuming utg 7 handed opens ~15%

Also I would have a very small chk back range here even hu but it would not include this hand at any frequency.