20/40 9 handed.

Button...usually plays higher. I've heard he is a good winning LagTag. I don't have any history with him. I don't know if he has 4 bet range pre. He probably sees me as a TAG. I would suspect he is delaying an Ace or stronger. I don't know if he is floating here or can be induced into a bluff raise.

Folded to button who raises, I 3 bet KK's, BB folds, Button calls.

As8d3s I bet, he calls.

As8d3s9d...do you bet/call down? Check/call?

I usually just bet/call down here.

How would you play TT's here?

Check flop. Also check flop with 67s 9Ts for balance.

Why would you check anything? Your range crushes his especially on this board texture.

Range might crush but there are still hands that aren't crazy about betting. This hand is Wa/wb = not happy betting. Checking lets unpaired unders hit a pair and pay you off, while possibly inducing bluffs.

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A wise man once told me that QQ is the best hand because aces always get cracked and kings are ace-magnets. Hope that helps.

KK has 70% equity vs a Btn open on this flop, but sure go ahead and check and while your at it chk T high for balance on a board where your range smashes his.

Check flop yuck. I would bet turn check call river UI. He opened on the button a lot of time your bet on either street wins the pot without a showdown.

B/c turn. He is peeling the flop here close to 100% if your read is correct.

People don't bluff here when sb 3 bets and checks this flop, they just put them on KK/QQ and play accordingly. Which means they will bet flop with 8x-99 type hands and check back turn, all hands that would otherwise call down 3 Streets

JL: good job ignoring all the Ax combos BTN has. There are way more of those than 8x and PPs that call 3 times. And again, letting under cards pair up and pay us off is good. If villain indeed always puts us on qq/kk and never bluffs, we do better by delaying all of our SCs and gaining perfect information. We can also delay combos of AJ/AT to xr punish.

I don't hate going for 3 streets of value. Do think checking back KK is better most of the time.

If Kk isn't a value bet on the flip, what non ace hands are?

seem to me a standard
bet flop,
c/c turn and river ?

^ this why make things overly complicated

I bet most 8x and am more apt to bet the lower my PP is.

Yeah I'm close between this and just bet every street, against unknown good player I like going passive on turn, against typical fish I just keep betting and expect to lose at showdown a decent bit

Checking flop against a LAGTAG playing lower and opening the BTN lol.

turn and river?

Bet, why would you give a free card to gutshots, oesd or fd. River is close but I would probably lean towards checking to induce bluffs and avoid having to bet fold.

If one wants to have a donk check range on this flop, KK is probably the best hand one can find for donkcheck-calldown bucket, followed by QQ. Also, there is a clear differences here between particular combos, though the exact preference depends a lot on Villain's flop calling range, in particular on what he's doing with his K-high hands.

As far as the size and necessity of checking range goes, Hero should probably check around 5% - 15% of his range depending on the exact size of his 3B range and depending on whether or not Villain has a raising range on the flop. 15% estimation assumes 35% SB 3bet range + Villain has raising range on the flop; 5% estimation assumes 30% SB 3bet range and no raise range for Villain on the flop.

This might be too small range and consequently too small EV difference to bother for most players (myself included) but it's certainly not a mistake to check the flop here.

I'd bet the flop and check-call down from the turn.

That's the problem when everyone knows/thinks this and they are gonna put you on KK right away and play close to perfect vs it.

Not like anyone 3 bets JT pf and check folds this flop

and against a turn raise call then River check call?

Yes. B/c turn. X/c river. Unless I have some sick read on villian that he is delaying, I am never folding.

If he does not bluff them , you are right.
But if he bluff them , you get paid anyway.

Pot is around 4,5 BB on turn.

imo you need to take into account that BU has a lot more A in his hands than you.

8 outs for OESD give him around 16-18%, lets give him 20%, that is around .9 BB value.

Why would you be so concern to pay 1BB for protecting an equity that is lower than your bet, risking to get own often on the turn when you are stuck to call down and waste at least 1 BB more ?

I mean you want to c/c river to induce a bluff on the river.
OK but why not c/c turn to induce him to bluff too ?

ps: btw i just think donk/checking flop is nonsense.
You will give too much information because your 3bet range is not wide enough to hide info by splitting your range with b/c, c/f, c/c, etc .
Much better to keep your range opaque and c-bet any flop HU with a decent tight range . Especially with an A flopping.

Revisiting this hand.

I think checking turn makes sense.

If we had an Ace I would think we should CR the turn or call some percentage of the time. If this is correct, which Aces? AJ? AT? Worse? I would think we would want to bet the turn with hands strong enough to b/3b. Would you b/3b AK on this turn?

If you're going to check the flop for balance, wouldn't you need to balance w AxXd (or suit of choice, X being as low as you three-bet against opponent) to pick-off players who will bluff your KK?