20/40 at Canterbury park all regs in day game. LAG in med position opens the very next guy (also LAG) just calls, it folds around to me in the small blind with JcJs. I 3 bet and it folds around to the original raiser. He calls as does the caller. 3 of us see the flop for 3 bets.

Flop comes Ah9d8c

I bet they both call

Turn brings 2s

At this point I am about ready to give up on the hand. I play a lot more 8/16 than 20/40 and it seems that someone almost always has an A, but in this game who knows. Only 3 to see the flop and no one raised me on the flop. Now I'm thinking I should have fired again, but I didn't. I check, the original raiser bets, the other guy raises. Facing 2 bets with an A on the board I fold.

Another raggedy card comes on the river. They both check and both of them say "I can't win, I missed " the one guy rolls over 76 and the other guy takes it down with j10 showing j high.

Did I play this wrong?

Not to be harsh but it doesn't sound like you are ready for this game. If you play pretty regularly you'll see the same group of a few dozen people and get to know their tendencies. It'll make hands like this a lot easier to play.

I'd bet the turn and go from there. That flop has a ton of draws and if those two area really LAGs, you are going to get raised on the flop if one or both has an A. Based on the action and hands it doesn't sound like either one is a LAG though.

GL

-hf

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Just bet the turn.

There isn't any reason to believe that you are beat thus far (no betting / raising since you 3 bet pre)

I'm more interested in how you would of reacted to the raise you would have faced on the turn.

"you reason to believe you are beat"

Not true. Middle position raise in a full ring game is pretty strong. People don't always raise all their aces if they flop top pair. Line is not bad.

You folded a winner, but 90+% of the time, someone would have an ace in this spot. Don't fret. Don't go on tilt. Play on

I don't think a raise would be inevitable on the turn given the strength the hero would have shown by betting again.

I would have bet the turn. People peel with all sorts of hands. If you check, your just inviting someone to take the pot away from you. Your also potentially missing out on value/ protection.

^^ In my other post, meant to quote "You have no reason to believe you are beat"

I think this is a close spot. Thread definitely deserves more attention. UTG's range has a lot of aces. Coldcallers tend to be bad; bad players tend to overvalue Ax/Axs. Of course neither player raised flop, reducing many Ax combos, but they'll still have many aces in their range - either weak ones or strong ones they are delaying with.

If we barrel JJ here, we're practically double barreling our whole range which is suspect. Against passive players I strongly support a 2nd barrel. Against LAGs, I think I'd still prefer a bet, but am less happy about it.

I think the answer lies in your 3b range from the sb.

I agree w pp, I think the hand is basically fine, I think it was unlucky a guy held JT when we have JJ, and I think its hilarious that 7 high guy didnt bet the river

This is a crazy game, the few times I played in it, it was extremeley aggressive, I couldn't put people on hands, and folded the best hand a few times, so I emphathise with the OP.

But let's assume he had bet the turn, he can't really call a raise if either guy decides to take a shot, right? And if he bets turn and is just called in both spots, what's the river plan?

He opened from MP not UTG. He still has a lot of Aces from MP but he also has a lot more other junk that he can peel with. I would definately be more worried if he had opened from UTG and called this flop since his ranged would be more skewed towards hands that beat us.

I think with one more player this looks more like it should be a turn check.

If these guy's were described as tight and passive I could be on board with a check/fold on the turn.

I think even LAG's are less likely to take a shot on this board given the strength
op will have shown after betting the turn. I think a b/f is fine.

It's a tough spot if both players call the turn. It's live read time. betting, check/calling, check/folding are all options depending on what I pick up from their turn calls and what card comes off on the river.

That depends.

My base assumption for an 8/16 player trying to play well at a higher limit is that his 3b range will be too narrow and heavily weighted towards TT-KK with an ace on board. This makes it difficult for him to have a checking range even though he should have one. And with no checking range it makes it easier to bet when he checks and raise when he bets.

As played in a vacuum OP did fine. I have no idea what his actual preflop range is, but assuming it's appropriate, his hand narrows to include more aces after he 2 barrels. But if his 3b range from the sb is too narrow it makes life difficult for him and easier for opps no matter if he bets or checks turn.

mp and ep ranges run pretty close in a full ring game. Deciding factor for me is the 8 and 9 on the flop. It means they'll peel many more weaker hands, so JJ is stronger and has more to protect against. If the flop were a27 and two people peeled I'd like my hand a whole lot less.