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03-19-2015 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
Considering you have to pay a $100 penalty for winning the pot is 97o really an auto call?

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FWIW I just checked my online DB (6 max) and my big blind BB/100 is -10.24. So that's -0.1024 BB/hand, or -$20.48 in this game.

Since we'll have good post-flop position, I have to imagine the ultimate EV of our post will be significantly greater than -10 BB/100.
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03-20-2015 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
My guess at what happened. You 3 bet the flop and cracked a hand you shouldn't have and got berated by the other players for the flop 3 bet. You posted here hoping everyone would agree with you and when you found they weren't you changed your read in the post you deleted to rule out hands like 88-99 and changed your read to include more hands that were air over cards.

Player A had 88?
Lol, this is a great post.
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03-20-2015 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
You realize in one post you say you include 88-99 in his flop raise raise and then in a later post say you rule them out?
I never ruled these out? I always included these in his range. Which post did I rule them out? If I did, I apologize as it was definitely a mistake.
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03-20-2015 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
My guess at what happened. You 3 bet the flop and cracked a hand you shouldn't have and got berated by the other players for the flop 3 bet. You posted here hoping everyone would agree with you and when you found they weren't you changed your read in the post you deleted to rule out hands like 88-99 and changed your read to include more hands that were air over cards.

Player A had 88?
Sorry, but I am only looking for input, not justification. If the three bet is a poor play, I want to know. Mixed opinions here as I thought, but I respect your opinion, so I would lean towards a call next time in this position.

I three bet, Player B, 4!, which told me he had JJ+, but most likely AA or KK, and player A cold called. I turned trips, won a nice hand. Player A had an over card flush draw (KQcc I believe), which was pretty much where I put him, other than the possibility of 99 or 88. Player B had AA.

Thanks for the input. You don't learn if you don't ask.

BTW - ZOMG - You must be mistaken, I have not deleted any posts or changed any of my opinions on the hand at all? Are you sure you are not reading someone else's post thinking it was mine? I am being 100% serious. Ask the mods if I deleted a post if you like. I am confused by this statement of yours? I really am.
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03-20-2015 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
My guess at what happened. You 3 bet the flop and cracked a hand you shouldn't have and got berated by the other players for the flop 3 bet. You posted here hoping everyone would agree with you and when you found they weren't you changed your read in the post you deleted to rule out hands like 88-99 and changed your read to include more hands that were air over cards.

Player A had 88?
I also don't see where he said 88 and 99 were unlikely or ruled out.
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03-20-2015 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Quick_Ben
Considering you have to pay a $100 penalty for winning the pot is 97o really an auto call?

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Yeah IIRC a $100 big blind is only about a $50 penalty, so a $100 post in the cutoff can't be more than like $30.
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03-20-2015 , 09:38 AM
Hmmm. Ok that one may be my whoopsie. I swear I read a post that or paragraph that's gone. I even started a post where I was going to quote the two opposing reads but phone issues and basketball games made me give up.


Guess that was my bad and I have egg on my face. I apologize
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03-20-2015 , 09:56 AM
Man, I swear there was an other post between 20-22. If nothing was changed then the only thing I can think of is I read the start of post 20 wrong while caught up in the tourney. I'm sorry

Still a really easy call on the flop given the ranges you assign Player A. You're behind Player A most of the time when he raises and may be behind Player B. You don't want to raise for protection or to see where you're at. Call all the bets the flop, hope to suck out, call basically all non-club turns, give up river to three barrels

Easy hand

Man, I swear there was a post 21.5. I wish I'd have finished the post where I tried to quote the two opposite reads

Last edited by ZOMG_RIGGED!; 03-20-2015 at 10:04 AM.
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03-20-2015 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
Man, I swear there was an other post between 20-22. If nothing was changed then the only thing I can think of is I read the start of post 20 wrong while caught up in the tourney. I'm sorry

Still a really easy call on the flop given the ranges you assign Player A. You're behind Player A most of the time when he raises and may be behind Player B. You don't want to raise for protection or to see where you're at. Call all the bets the flop, hope to suck out, call basically all non-club turns, give up river to three barrels

Easy hand

Man, I swear there was a post 21.5. I wish I'd have finished the post where I tried to quote the two opposite reads
Again, I do appreciate the input and will adjust accordingly. I know there is no trust factor between us obviously, but FWIW I give you my 100% word that nothing was changed or deleted at all. Everything in this thread currently is all that was ever posted.

Off to start the same game now!
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03-20-2015 , 10:22 AM
Guess I'm just going senile
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03-20-2015 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
FWIW I just checked my online DB (6 max) and my big blind BB/100 is -10.24. So that's -0.1024 BB/hand, or -$20.48 in this game.

Since we'll have good post-flop position, I have to imagine the ultimate EV of our post will be significantly greater than -10 BB/100.
Back when I did a bunch of kill calcs, one thing I tried to remove was my BB/100 with my bb vs sb hands removed. I assume your database is mostly 6 max and were going to be playing a ton of pots in pos bvb.
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03-29-2015 , 10:00 AM
Given pot size, reads, and hand, I can confidently say that this is a spot where "it doesn't ****ing matter" as long as you don't fold the flop. I'd definitely love to see evidence where the difference is worth more than a very very small amt (and then even so there are reasons that can be given to make one more attractive than the other in various cases which leads back to: just don't fold).

EDIT: to be clear, my point in posting this is if a good player berated you for how you played this hand, he's not a good player. If you did get berated, it's by somebody to whom you should say something like "oh c'mon, you should have folded that overpair to my flop 3b! You know you'd have saved money"
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