20 HE, 7 handed. So far I've been mainly playing an elaborate chip passing game with OTR, where he bets/raises and I call with very weak hands and he shows down pretty much what he was representing. Once to mix it up, he will called me when I have the stone cold nuts, but I think that was out of boredom.

In this hand, I raise QQ 2nd to act. The SB, who I have never played with before this night, but had gotten a laggy vibe from at our previous table, cold calls the SB, and a bad reg cold calls the BB. The bad reg is the type who tries to play good, meaning good hands, but still does bad things like open limp and is bad at hand reading, and of course when he runs bad plays too many hands. He isn't' yet running bad.

Flop is J73r. SB leads, BB raises, I think about how dry that board is, then call. SB reraises, BB caps, I call.

Turn is 4 completing rainbow. SB bets, BB thinks and calls. I was ready to fold if he raised. But he calls, so I call.

River 5, SB bets, BB calls, I call.

In retrospect I think I should have raised either turn or river.

if you raise, raising turn is much better spot than river, but I think it is nh as played

They never have it when they go crazy like this on the flop. Raise the turn with confidence, with impunity, and with an overpair.

If we raise either turn or river are folding to a reraise?

I guess that means you won the hand. If e.g. either villain had flopped a set, you would be looking for the right place to fold.

That's a tough spot. It's hard to put either player on a set, I agree with Draft Dodger that sets wait for turn, especially on a dry board. But it's also hard to see these players 3betting the turn with two pair unless they put me firmly on an overpair.

Where I play the donk-redonk line is usually one pair, but usually done when the board has a draw and he's afraid the IP aggressor is freecarding. With you calling two cold behind on the flop, it doesn't sound like SB should be afraid of BB checking behind. I tend to put SB on a stronger range because of this.

when you continue to a bet and a raise on the flop don't you always have JTs+. QQ+?

Not according to the villains in this hand.

Yeah I think you missed a raise somewhere. It's easy to scare yourself into acting too passively on a later street when you've deceptively underplayed your hand on an earlier street.

Usually SB's turn donk would signal quite a lot of strength but it's a lot less now you failed to raise the flop. It also makes BB turn call a lot weaker too since he should really still be trying to force you out.

Raising either turn or river would both be fine imo. Obviously raising the river makes dealing with a 3-bet easier.

You're one more aggressive action away from folding? If so, I think a small mistake of calling when you should have raised is > the large mistake of folding when you should have called. Maybe if you raise the turn you're never getting raised by worse, and maybe the "they never have it on the flop" thing is true. On one end you have a value raise and on the other end they always have it, in the middle should be calling. If you're really close to folding in the hand, I'm not sure the raise is clear unless the wanting to fold is really wrong.

I wonder on the flop if you put in a raise that would have forced them to stop the non-sense. If so, maybe you save the whole pot. Raising for information generally sucks, but here you could discourage them from going nuts with TP. "Hey, I still have Aces over here". That said, they never have two pair and you like it when they spew off with worse.

I think if BB raises the turn I'm toast. He's standard kind of passive. If the unknown guy 3bs my raise I'm calling, for information/improvement

I don't think this really applies because we're much more concerned with the second player at this point and not the initial donk bettor, (still makes some sense for BB to play a big hand this way, not so much the SB.)

Why would we want to discourage either villain from spewing with TP when we're ahead with an over pair. Seems like your trying to win the least with a flop 3-bet if that's the case.

Not saying this is the case here... but if DC being in the pot and calling makes them spew off, and he's actually considering folding for more raises... he's inducing action he won't call. He's actually costing himself the pot.I'm saying save the pot. If he's really folding to one more aggressive action, I'm wondering if maybe he should stop that from happening.

I haven't played with these CAZ guys, so I have no idea how their ranges converge. I love letting them keep their ranges wide and spewing off with worse. However, at the point where you decide to try to make one more bet, instead get two, and then fold the best hand you have to wonder did that one bet you tried to make cost you a dozen bets in the middle? Maybe the info is so good. Maybe it isn't.

Still not really sure I buy your argument. You want avoid a 3-bet cap flop, bet raise turn spew by 3-betting the flop.

If we're unsure about folding the best hand, then we just call down in a large pot. I fail to see how this is a worse option then sacrificing a ton of value "just to see where we are"