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There's going to be a huger discrepany in what good players raise from the BB than in what good players raise from other positions, because the alternative is checking.

Whether you should raise 88 or 33 or 22 can be debated, but TT+ is the minimum I'd expect of anyone described as "winning" or "aggressive."

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10-31-2014 , 01:40 PM

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AlanBostick

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 11,490

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

I would be calling the floor before acting further in this hand if you said something like this in the middle of the hand.

I'd lay odds of 3:1 that the floorperson wouldn't understand what the issue was, even if you explained it as unambiguously as it has been elsewhere in this thread, and rule against you.

Is it an ethical violation if most people don't see it as one? In fact, OTR, lawdude, et al., are right; and at the same time the prevailing point of view, at least in the games I play, is the OP's.

More important to me than the ethical issue is that it's damn-fool poker, a leak in the OP's game. Don't talk about the nuts and bolts of poker at the table. Not in the middle of a hand, not between hands. Talk about your fantasy football picks; talk about Derek Jeter; talk about the Ebola panic; talk about how hot your boy- or girlfriend is. Just don't talk about poker.

While playing a hand, of course, the only things you should be saying are "check," "bet," "raise," or "fold."

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11-09-2014 , 11:45 PM

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GeorgeW

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Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 79

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Originally Posted by lawdude

True story.

I was playing in a limit game at San Manuel. A guy had gotten himself all-in, I believe by capping pre-flop. The hand was 6 or 7 ways to the flop, and I had 22. The flop came Kx2. I bet the flop, got a couple of callers, and then bet the turn, and it folded to one woman who went in the tank.

After 10 seconds or so, Mr. all-in got pissed off and tired of waiting. He stood up and flipped over his cards, showing his pocket kings. Of course, after this, the woman folded, and my side pot wasn't as large as it could have been.

I called the floor, but the clueless floor guy couldn't understand that what the person did was wrong. Nor could most of the other players. I think one guy backed me up in saying that he shouldn't do that.

But yes, he shouldn't do that.

That's the extreme example. But that's what happens when you talk about your hand multi-way. When you are heads-up, the only player you are taking money from is your opponent. But multi-way, you could be taking money from the other players in the hand.

It's selfish. It's saying that whatever I want to say outweighs the interests of the other people in the hand. And it's wrong. Good players need to set an example and not do it.

And I realize fish do it. But they shouldn't either, though we sometimes tolerate it for the good of the game. But I've been in situations where I'm getting ready to bluff raise on a KK5 board when some fish blurts out "damn, I folded a king". Shawn Deeb, who should have known better, got sat out an orbit a few years ago at the WSOP main event because he reacted to a flop after folding his hand, thereby letting the players still in the hand know what he had (and therefore taking those cards out of the range of the other players).

If anything, we should be working harder on getting the word out to fish not to do this either. We certainly should not be doing this ourselves.

At San Manuel anything goes. Believe it or not I've seen more outrageous breeches than that.

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