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03-06-2017 , 06:17 PM

jdr0317

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Live 50. V1 is a TAGfish grinder, V2 is a loose gambler, V3 is a decent, showdown bound LAG, V4 is a loose-erratic spewster, V5 is a LAG pro who's probably winning here; tried to fold his hand preflop here before realizing he was the BB, so we can discount hands like decent aces from his range.

We're 7 handed

I hold 5

SB

V1 opens UTG, V2 calls next up, V3 calls next up, V4 calls CO, I call SB, V5 calls BB

Flop (6 BB): A

Check to V1 who bets, V2 folds and we all call

Turn (8.5BB): Q

Check to V1 who bets, everyone calls to V5 who check raises, V1 folds the rest of us call

River (17.5 BB): 5

I donk planning to call a raise.

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03-06-2017 , 06:49 PM

Smarty 2.0

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Did you cold call two on the turn?

That seems like a fold.

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03-06-2017 , 06:50 PM

leavesofliberty

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It's hard to see anyone with a 3 here, so I get the river bet. I'd hate for it to be checked-down. What part do you think you played incorrectly? The turn call? You do have the 5 of clubs, so there are three 3's, and two 5's that help you. I think we can discount V5 from having AA,QQ. It is possible he check-raised aggressively with Kc3c getting value in on the turn, and has hit the river, but it's not THAT likely. That's a very aggressive turn raise. It looks like you're getting odds the whole way.

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03-06-2017 , 06:51 PM

leavesofliberty

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

Did you cold call two on the turn?

That seems like a fold.

No, he called one, and then was check-raised. He has potentially 5 outs where there's every reason to believe the 5 outs are live. It's improbably that V5 already has the straight. There's a strong enough chance on the turn that it does not get check-raised, I think. To me, he's still getting odds at that point. I honestly don't see the big mistake here.

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03-06-2017 , 07:06 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Smarty 2.0

Did you cold call two on the turn?

That seems like a fold.

Nah, I put two in on the 1-1 installment plan.

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03-06-2017 , 07:08 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

There is the question of whether it's a good idea to just fire out with a set on the river as well when all three opponents could have the straight, as well.

Last edited by jdr0317; 03-06-2017 at 07:15 PM. Reason: Clarification

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03-06-2017 , 07:09 PM

leavesofliberty

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

There is the question of whether it's a good idea to just fire out a set on the river as well when all three opponents could have the straight, as well.

I'll wait for others to weigh in.

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03-06-2017 , 07:34 PM

SetofJacks

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Nh imo, I don't think your odds are too good at every point to find a fold.

While certainly possible, I don't expect to run into a three often enough to not donk the river, and I'd call one raise but not two. I also don't expect anyone to bet for us.

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03-06-2017 , 09:55 PM

bipolarbearclaw

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Seems realistic that any aces up will bet the river. Might be your best chance at getting 2 people to put money in on the river.

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03-06-2017 , 10:33 PM

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gobbo

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I def c/r this hand.

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03-06-2017 , 11:02 PM

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DeathDonkey

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I think you played it best

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03-06-2017 , 11:14 PM

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ninefingershuffle

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I'm not sure I like the original turn call at 12.5 to 1 with a flush draw out there

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03-06-2017 , 11:18 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I'm not sure I like the original turn call at 12.5 to 1 with a flush draw out there

I have a club in my hand FWIW (which dramatically improves my set value).

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03-07-2017 , 12:31 AM

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leavesofliberty

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I still don't see where to play it differently. I don't want it to get checked down and the card is liable to freeze the action.

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03-07-2017 , 01:45 AM

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JLot

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nh JDR

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03-07-2017 , 03:13 AM

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Frankie Fuzz

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I think this is ok, but what hands could LAG pro have that don't bet the river? Q4s and Q2s seem like the most likely hands by far. A4, A2, Ad5d, Ad3d are some other possibilities. Checkraising the river seems like a valid option given there are a couple loose players who will probably call the checkraise much wider than they should. And BB probably won't 3bet you without the nuts if it remains multiway.

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03-07-2017 , 03:32 AM

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steveistheman84

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i don't see any other way to play this hand.

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03-07-2017 , 09:17 AM

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6MaxLHE

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B/c. X/ring is a disaster if we are 3bet.

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03-07-2017 , 07:22 PM

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sarex

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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle

I'm not sure I like the original turn call at 12.5 to 1 with a flush draw out there

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03-08-2017 , 05:30 AM

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chillrob

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+2 flush draws out there...

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03-08-2017 , 05:50 AM

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leavesofliberty

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Did you not notice that he has the 5c for some reason?

Odds against a five outer are roughly 8.4 to 1. It would be mathematically incorrect to fold.

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03-08-2017 , 06:15 AM

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chillrob

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It's being very generous giving him the full 5 outs. Yes, he has the 5 of clubs, but he doesn't have the 5 of diamonds, which may make someone else a flush. Two of the 3s could also make someone else a flush, and there is a significant possibility that the BB already has a straight, leaving him drawing to half the pot. With so many people calling, it also increases the chance that others hold flush draws, 3s, and 5s.

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03-08-2017 , 09:56 AM

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leavesofliberty

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You're correct, probably closer to 4, and there is a 1/100 chance you get cr, but even so it's still a call ott.

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03-08-2017 , 06:21 PM

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gobbo

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Originally Posted by 6MaxLHE

B/c. X/ring is a disaster if we are 3bet.

I don't think a bare 3 c/r us on river tbh. I think they should but think they rarely do.

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03-08-2017 , 07:27 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by gobbo

I don't think a bare 3 c/r us on river tbh. I think they should but think they rarely do.

Given we're small blind, I'd be pretty surprised if anything xr is

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