Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
I have a flush I have a flush

01-21-2017 , 10:26 AM
5 handed 20. HJ is a known maniac; has open limping and raising raises, and is usually fairly strong (and pretty honest) when chatty during a hand.

BTN is an unknown, but seems very loose. Can't hand read at all, random bluffs, passive with his big value (have seen him cold call an open and never raise a dry J hi board with top pair). Much more likely to jam a big draw than a medium strength value hand, You know the type.

BB is your classic "raise way too much pre, three bet not enough" live player.

I have 9 7 in the SB

Action:

BB prepares to muck but then sees the action isn't on him. HJ remarks that it's a good thing and raises. BTN cold calls, I call SB, BB now calls.

Flop (8 SB): 6 5 3

I donk, BB raises, HJ 3, BTN cold caps (?!?!) we all call

Turn (12 BB): 3

Plan?
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 01:04 PM
Check. Don't fold for one bet.
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 01:33 PM
Check call. Expect to see a bigger flush more often than a full house
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 02:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
Check. Don't fold for one bet.
I think checking first is a good play. Do you like raising or just calling? Do we fold if flop cold capper 3 bets? I failed to add to my read that he seems less than rational (so I've no idea if he can just decide his straight is the best hand ever and he's going to win all the money and stuff).
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 03:20 PM
I'm planning on check/calling. If it goes bet/raise I think I fold
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 07:49 PM
I think I'm bet/calling, ranges seem all over the place from OP, just going to assume we have the best hand and go for value

Maybe we can fold if it comes back 3 bets
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 08:34 PM
Ran some sims and we are doing worse than I thought, even giving hj a bit of a wild range

X/c seems best and folding to 2 probably fine depending on action

My new calculation suggests hero has the best hand on the turn only ~28% of the time

Following that train of thought, hero can consider a tight fold on flop

Last edited by monikrazy; 01-21-2017 at 08:41 PM.
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 09:26 PM
I don't like particularly like donking flop here. I probably would have checked, and if it came back 3 bets to me I probably fold. Even as played I probably fold to the 4-bet on the flop.
I have a flush Quote
01-21-2017 , 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillrob
I don't like particularly like donking flop here. I probably would have checked, and if it came back 3 bets to me I probably fold. Even as played I probably fold to the 4-bet on the flop.
you would seriously fold this flop?

I like the donk but Id slow down on the turn. cant imgaine ever folding this hand unless of course the river is another 3 or a club.
I have a flush Quote
01-22-2017 , 12:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillrob
I don't like particularly like donking flop here. I probably would have checked, and if it came back 3 bets to me I probably fold. Even as played I probably fold to the 4-bet on the flop.
You realize we're double gutted with a GSSFD right?
I have a flush Quote
01-22-2017 , 02:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdr0317

Plan?
Hit 4c or 8c on river?
I have a flush Quote
01-22-2017 , 08:49 PM
yea folding is absolutely bonkers to me. I mean this is like almost as good of a flop as you can possibly ask for.
I have a flush Quote
01-22-2017 , 09:11 PM
I'm not sure I would fold the flop here, but I would certainly consider it if I checked and it was 3 bets back to me, with a very good chance it's going to be capped. And OP suggests that there is a very good chance button has a dominating draw here.

I would actually typically fold this hand preflop for a bet and a half with only 2 players committed to the pot. I can get behind calling under certain circumstances, but if this result (other players going crazy on a lot of flops), that is a good argument for just dumping it preflop. Your most likely good flop with this hand is a draw, and you don't want to get crazy flop action.
I have a flush Quote
01-23-2017 , 04:23 PM
GTSD for as little as possible lol.

fold for 3 cold to you.

if it's two back to you it depends who made it to (to whom you're opening up the action again), then i'm thinking you have to call some and fold some. gotta call Ahigh, Khigh, and Qhigh flushes for sure. Jhigh i think i'm still calling so the line is somewhere around what you have: T/9high flushes. so you can't make too big a mistake here given that everybody seems to like their hand and you have a paired board w/o closing the action.

betting out is insane. folding for 1 back is insane. folding for 3 back is fine. so it just comes to making a plan for 2 back depending on who raised. the more conservative or passive the raiser, the more flushes i'm folding, obv.
I have a flush Quote
01-23-2017 , 04:25 PM
btw, pf is debateable. those are the types of hands that tag live winners tend to fold and lag live winners tend to call. i'd err on the side of folding these though i USED TO absolutely err on the side of calling them (the worse the players are the more i'd want to call).

but given the bb telegraphed fold, i'd prob err on folding more ceteris parabis.
I have a flush Quote
01-24-2017 , 11:01 PM
Your hand screams I'm building a pot. Check the flop and go on from there.
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 02:49 AM
I'd bet-fold, check-calling seems like it makes sure money goes in on the turn only when we're behind.
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 12:49 PM
We flopped a straight flush draw multiway, who cares what our hand looks like, pile it in on the flop
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 02:46 PM
And given results, I'm not sure it matters all that much if I look really strong when I donk flop:

Spoiler:
BB raised a naked 6 on the flop, HJ showed 77, BTN showed...QQ (!?)
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 03:10 PM
Yeah that's not even suprising. You're all nits
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 03:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdr0317
And given results, I'm not sure it matters all that much if I look really strong when I donk flop:

Spoiler:
BB raised a naked 6 on the flop, HJ showed 77, BTN showed...QQ (!?)
It's better to C/R the flop then donking out if you don't know how to proceed when you make your 9 high flush on the turn with a paired board.

Most go crazy over straight flush draws but unless if it's headsup, you probably have just 8 outs (given multi way situation) For this case, since it's a gutshot straight flush draw on the flop, you still have 4 outs to the nuts and you will only find out if additional 8 more outs by c/r the flop.

I'm all for donking with open ender straight flush draw.

Last edited by trickytricky; 01-25-2017 at 03:41 PM. Reason: more thoughts
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 03:35 PM
Was this post a trick question? Read given on button directly contradicts what he actually had.
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 05:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chillrob
Was this post a trick question? Read given on button directly contradicts what he actually had.
That's why I was as shocked to see it in his range as you were shocked to see it in the spoiler. Sometimes it's probably just better to acknowledge that people do random crap at random.

Last edited by jdr0317; 01-25-2017 at 05:58 PM.
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 05:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulValente
Yeah that's not even suprising. You're all nits
Says the guy who just called in a spot where I never have him beat on Saturday night .
I have a flush Quote
01-25-2017 , 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trickytricky
It's better to C/R the flop then donking out if you don't know how to proceed when you make your 9 high flush on the turn with a paired board.
Saying one line is better than the other because of the situation where someone cold caps 4 ways leaves you confused with one option doesn't make the other option better. I can probably count the number of times I've seen a cold cap in live poker on any postflop street on one hand.
I have a flush Quote

      
m