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looks like an optimistic play with 55, but i can see what he was thinking tho i don't think it's very good. i made a similar play the other night, when i opened a8o in co, got 3bet by a 40 year old, and bb defended (who likes to take ******ed river stabs when it's obv he's getting called). 9bets : flop, 973, c/ c/, bet, call call. turn 4 c/ thru, river 7, bb bet, i raise. bb called with pair.

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11-22-2016 , 11:22 AM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by Frankie Fuzz

His flop raise with 55 is very bad. Easy fold for him.

Agreed. As played, I like his river play (I don't think we blow pope off better ever, but we definitely blow everyone else off their hand).

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11-22-2016 , 03:15 PM

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I think he should 3 bet 55 pre

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11-22-2016 , 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

I think he should 3 bet 55 pre

Why?

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11-23-2016 , 12:42 AM

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Why?

Because two limpers have crap ranges and popes range expands as far down at Q9o. So 55 can implicitly collude against the limpers ranges by 3 betting, as both 55 and pope's range have the plurality of equity.

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11-23-2016 , 12:48 AM

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I don't know if the button plays Omaha Hi Lo or not but his move on the river is seen frequently in Omaha Hi Lo games.

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11-23-2016 , 01:57 AM

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I can't imagine 55 being a huge favorite in equity there. And it is very tough to play well and realize your equity when not hitting a set (as shown by this hand itself).

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11-25-2016 , 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

I can't imagine 55 being a huge favorite in equity there. And it is very tough to play well and realize your equity when not hitting a set (as shown by this hand itself).

Limpers sometimes fold for 3 bets.

He have position, which makes it easier to set up.

I don't think Pope's reads are very accurate.

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11-25-2016 , 05:30 PM

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I definitely can see the value if BB and limpers are likely to fold. Didn't think this would be the case from description in OP or from my personal memory of the 20/40 game there though.

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11-25-2016 , 05:56 PM

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I definitely can see the value if BB and limpers are likely to fold. Didn't think this would be the case from description in OP or from my personal memory of the 20/40 game there though.

My experience is about 10-20% of the time a limper folds for 3 bets. But it depends on the limper. Some are 0%, never folding, and some are 50-50.

Even if it goes off 6 ways you have a ton of equity, and a shot at peeling to turn a set. And sometimes you get the 432 flop.

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11-26-2016 , 12:57 PM

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I don't think Pope's reads are very accurate.

Please continue.

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11-26-2016 , 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by that_pope

So it seems like the consensus is call.

I also posted this hand expecting some preflop discussion. As I was raising I was questioning if I should be raising this light. Obviously being stuck made it easier!

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Gonna have to disagree with you a lot here. First agree with others that flop raise is really bad. Secondly while the river raise will fold out 66-88 you also need to ask how often they are over calling the river with 4th pair. Can't imagine to many scenarios with that flop action, the Ace on the then and a river that goes bet-snap call where another player snap overcalls 4th pair.

So the real question is how often they fold a hand for 2 beta that they would have called for 1 bet and pope shows up with the helpless 5 way river bluff

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11-26-2016 , 08:04 PM

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Thanks for the feedback Jon. Guess I was too quick to label him a genius. He does seem to win often.

I've also seen coldcalling preflop be more en vogue in the CAZ 20/40 game by decent regulars than it was in the past

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