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I can't beat anything so I decide to bluff I can't beat anything so I decide to bluff

09-05-2014 , 11:36 AM
Preflop:
UTG+1 opens -- bad tight passive, I've seen him limp EP with AT, some medium pairs.
CO calls -- on the tight passive side. I put his range on non-premium broadways, middle pairs, maybe some suited connectors. Maybe some AQ, AK in his range. He can play draws aggressively and may free-card. Has tendencies to fold and b/f scary rivers.
BB, Phunk, has AQ, and elects to just call.

Flop: AT5
UTG1 bets, CO raises, Phunk 3!, UTG1 calls, CO 4!, Phunk calls (Game has a 5 bet cap), UTG1 calls.

Turn: 4
Checked to CO, CO bets, call, call

River: 7
Checked to CO, CO bets, Phunk raises...

Analysis in spoil
Spoiler:
PF is close to a 3b, but UTG's range is tighter than usual, so I think call is fine.
Flop 3b is standard. I'm very tempted to 5b and lead turn though. CO may be free-carding with Ax, other flush draw; possible he 'freecards' with a worse ace or even a ten. UTG's range is still wide; could have AK, could have JJ.
Turn is interesting. CO betting weights his hand towards value; I would discount many Ax hands.
River... read thread title
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09-05-2014 , 11:43 AM
I've never played with a player who I thought would fold AK+ here often enough to make that raise profitable. That's an impressive combination of reads and balls if you can get two of them to do it.
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09-05-2014 , 02:27 PM
seems suicidal.
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09-05-2014 , 03:19 PM
If we were going to do this, I'd rather do it on the J. I can't imagine b/f this river w/ AK against anyone but the biggest of big street rocks.
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09-05-2014 , 03:54 PM
stakes? live/online? fr/sh?
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09-05-2014 , 04:21 PM
20-40, live, 9 handed. I guess that's somewhat important.

I'm mainly targeting AT and A5, though sets and AQ/AK may also be in villain's b/f range.
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09-05-2014 , 05:48 PM
You don't have to try to win every pot.
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09-05-2014 , 08:58 PM
I do not think the flop 3 bet is standard w those reads and i think a 5 bet would be very bad. I think you should fold river and raise is really crazy (and I like crazy usually)
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09-05-2014 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
I do not think the flop 3 bet is standard w those reads and i think a 5 bet would be very bad. I think you should fold river and raise is really crazy (and I like crazy usually)
Agree with you about river, but I prob lean towards 5 betting flop.
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09-06-2014 , 04:32 AM
Even I fold the river
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09-06-2014 , 02:03 PM
Do we have a x/r bluff range on this river? What is it? AK, A5?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jdr0317
If we were going to do this, I'd rather do it on the J. I can't imagine b/f this river w/ AK against anyone but the biggest of big street rocks.
In the actual hand, I think the river was J. I didn't remember exactly which diamond it was, and wrote it as the 7.
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09-06-2014 , 04:32 PM
I would not have a bluff range here.
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09-06-2014 , 06:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Even I fold the river
So CO can never have AJ or AQ to justify a river call? Big pot, one more bet?
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09-06-2014 , 08:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
I do not think the flop 3 bet is standard w those reads and i think a 5 bet would be very bad. I think you should fold river and raise is really crazy (and I like crazy usually)
Every street is a little interesting in my eyes. You would flat the flop, intending to call down or to raise a future street?

I also think people aren't putting enough stock in my read that villain folds a lot of scary rivers. He routinely insta-folds TP to check raises, and flings his cards at the dealer when the river brings a 4flush or 4straight.
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09-06-2014 , 10:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by merryber
So CO can never have AJ or AQ to justify a river call? Big pot, one more bet?
Not enough of the time.
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09-08-2014 , 01:09 PM
Spoiler time:

...River, Phunk x/r, UTG1 folds, Villain 3bs, Phunk folds. Villain courtesy shows his hand, A9.
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09-09-2014 , 01:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phunkphish
Preflop:
UTG+1 opens -- bad tight passive, I've seen him limp EP with AT, some medium pairs.
CO calls -- on the tight passive side. I put his range on non-premium broadways, middle pairs, maybe some suited connectors. Maybe some AQ, AK in his range. He can play draws aggressively and may free-card. Has tendencies to fold and b/f scary rivers.
BB, Phunk, has AQ, and elects to just call.

Flop: AT5
UTG1 bets, CO raises, Phunk 3!, UTG1 calls, CO 4!, Phunk calls (Game has a 5 bet cap), UTG1 calls.

Turn: 4
Checked to CO, CO bets, call, call

River: 7
Checked to CO, CO bets, Phunk raises...

Analysis in spoil
Spoiler:
PF is close to a 3b, but UTG's range is tighter than usual, so I think call is fine.
Flop 3b is standard. I'm very tempted to 5b and lead turn though. CO may be free-carding with Ax, other flush draw; possible he 'freecards' with a worse ace or even a ten. UTG's range is still wide; could have AK, could have JJ.
Turn is interesting. CO betting weights his hand towards value; I would discount many Ax hands.
River... read thread title
Writing it all out after the hand is always quite easier to describe players and the hand/streets.... But I'm intrigued here..... Your description on CO is spot on with how he played the hand, my guess is that the hand played out very quickly at game speed and your "range" of CO was not fully considered at the time: cause you nailed his described range/tenancies with exactly what he did; yet you still tried to push him out? And why do you think he showed after? Think it was really just a courtesy?
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09-12-2014 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by phunkphish
I'm mainly targeting AT and A5, though sets and AQ/AK may also be in villain's b/f range.
because people love to fold two pair on the river in a very large pot for one more bet.

i'd only try this if i'd seen him muck similar stuff face up on multiple occasions. so basically never.
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09-20-2014 , 03:33 AM
might work 1 in 3 mirron times. that one time is when the guy with better hand dies at the table.
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10-18-2014 , 03:18 AM
Just fold the flop and keep yourself out of this mess. The way the hand played out is the reason why.
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10-23-2014 , 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by phunkphish
Spoiler time:

...River, Phunk x/r, UTG1 folds, Villain 3bs, Phunk folds. Villain courtesy shows his hand, A9.
You may have misplayed this hand but I think it was good for your overall poker game. Finding spots vs passive players is satisfying and profitable (except they're often old dudes that I like and feel bad for but I get over it). I think the issue here is that the same player who is capable of folding a big hand already checked behind with it cuz he was afraid of diamonds.
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