I open K6hh in the HJ and a boring Asian tag 3bets sb. Bb folds I call.

Flop 843hhc. He checks. I do what?

feels like you're never getting ace high to fold unless it runs out really good for you and he probably checkraises the value part of his range a weird percentage such that i wouldn't automatically think his checking range is weak (this is a weird lifetime history thing against boring asian tags, lol profiling). i'd bet something like T9hh but this feels like a good candidate to slowplay and put in lots of bets on heart runouts.

I imagine this goofy check line actually includes Axhh. But I'd still bet.

I'm more optimistic but depends on range you put SB on. If SB can be weakly playing JQ, Kx, Ax, and we can win with a double barrel, we gotta try it with this hand.

Boring Asian tag's plan is to check-call all the way. seriously!

Against most people betting flop so you can check back turn is best

+1

if he c/r flop just do not try semibluff the turn and just call the turn and fold ui river imo.

he think he made a great play by trapping a c/r but it is an horrendous play for losing money.

So if is decent ( a TAG should), well his not trapping you, so JL plan is best.

If he check raises you on flop does anyone like 3 bet / free card if necessary on turn ?

As long as you follow through and 5 bet for the free card after he 4 bets.

I don't see boring Asian tags cap much on the flop unless he's got 88 maybe aqhh. I think I like betting the flop and am trying to plan for after that.

What if he calls the flop and checks a blank turn like 9d? Do we bet again hoping he folds overcards or check and surrender without improving on river?

I don't get it. At best our equity is 50% against a range of Ace high. If villain delays some strength, we're putting our money in bad, with no FE, and risk getting x'red when we could've just taken a free card.

I don't expect villain to suddenly bet Ahi OTT if we check back flop. What does betting flop accomplish if we plan to shut down UI?

Whaaaaat? Why wouldn't a high bet it like its the nuts if we check back the flop?

Bet now. There are a bunch of run outs he can't call down with ace high and a bunch of turns you can check if you so choose.

because he suddenly bets A hi always on the turn.

I would also bet flop to take a free turn. I would think he could have a weak showdownable hand like 22 or weak Ace. asmitty, I think it depends a lot on your image at the time, like if he thinks you 3-barrel bluff a lot.

I don't think I've ever checked after 3betting sb HU, so at least I would say this particular hand wasn't really boring.

He can't. We can't. Check it back.

IME, villains play is a k/r attempt almost always.

I really like the discussion we are getting here. Basically.. how to respond to an Sb 3! Donk check on the flop. As the villain in this hand, I'd like to hear opinion on my line too. I'll not hijack this thread and I'll start another one from my perspective later.

Who cares? Unless we are up against AA, KK, or a set our equity is fine and then they will do something stupid like check the turn.

I thought only the 7th bet was considered free. Poker theory evolves so fast.

Same reason he doesn't he lead out this low flop.

You don't really believe that do you?

feels like 100% of your range should be cbetting this flop SB v HJ (heck, pick SB vs any position HU) because game theory and stuff

so i dislike having a checking range mostly for that reason, but also because a) how you decide to play certain parts of your range checking as the PF aggressor seems arbitrary and often times exploitable and b) you give free cards to the weakest parts of villain's range which seems like a mistake with most of your range

and yes obviously you aren't checking 100% of your range here (or are you??? dun dun DUNNN) but still the parts that you decide to check it just seems like you introduce a range split mess and if you don't then you introduce FPS that solid ABC play would probably exploit longterm.

*Pokes head up & looks around*

Fold Pre

*Ducks*

Thank you for your opinion!

I don't believe in doing 100% this or that all the time. I believe game condition, opponent tendencies, and board texture all matters. OP is a good young white thinking LAG. This and the board texture affected my decision to check the flop. Anyway we will explore more in my thread. Will post it tomorrow when I get some time. Thanks!