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How to play QQ when yucky A flops agaisnt tight but tricky pros How to play QQ when yucky A flops agaisnt tight but tricky pros

12-30-2014 , 05:46 AM
It's going to be hard to improve at poker if you continue to be so bad at taking constructive criticism.
12-30-2014 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkCheck
But apparently noone wants my help.
QFT
12-30-2014 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
capping QQ pf (or other monsters) is for value, not because you want people to fold. in fact, you should want them all to call, as you will make more money in the long run. the idea of winning pots instead of winning money is a common misconception.

given that you have a strong hand vs two tricky players in a big pot, and you took a goofy line, i don't think you should plan to fold.

i think there's a better line for you on the flop to begin with though, and definitely ways you can improve your thought process overall.

welcome to the forums and good luck.
100% what he said.

Don't be discouraged when you cap pre and dreadful A hits on the flop. You are putting money in with the best hand preflop. You will come out a winner in the long run.

Sometimes, I play QQ preflop tricky and not put in all the value preflop as well.
12-30-2014 , 03:40 PM
I'm using the terms +EV and equity advantage interchangeably. Maybe that's wrong or confusing. But either of those are the preferred way to think about poker.

We certainly Don't raise 89s PF to charge others. If it were -EV to play we would fold. By process of elimination..


Disagree with BBB that we make more $ if the PFR calls. Unless he's a complete spew post flop, I take the free dead money.


Dark check -- your thinking contradicts itself. Villains might bluff raise flop. Then on turn you say they would never bluff.
12-30-2014 , 06:08 PM
DarkCheck, I have to say that YOU are the one whose posts are nearly incomprehensible.

Personally I also often go against standard wisdom here on 2+2, so maybe I would agree with you on a lot of things, but I can barely make any sense of any of your posts. I do not mean I am disagreeing with your play or strategy, maybe you are an expert player, but I cannot make much sense of your posts. I had assumed it was because you were not a native speaker of English, but since you are criticizing others' explanations, I am now guessing that is not the reason.
12-30-2014 , 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by phunkphish
I'm using the terms +EV and equity advantage interchangeably. Maybe that's wrong or confusing. But either of those are the preferred way to think about poker.

We certainly Don't raise 89s PF to charge others. If it were -EV to play we would fold. By process of elimination..


Disagree with BBB that we make more $ if the PFR calls. Unless he's a complete spew post flop, I take the free dead money.


Dark check -- your thinking contradicts itself. Villains might bluff raise flop. Then on turn you say they would never bluff.
I didn't say would never bluff. I said less likely sb bluffs into both of us out of position. 2 off the button more loose, tricky, spewy and likely to bluff. But as a said before i feel i should have bet the flop. As after me showing big strength preflop not as likely for them to make a bluff move on this flop. So all i'm doing is giving a free card to both when i'm ahead and allowing them to know my hand which isn't good. I botched the flop and wasn't standard for me. The sb's very tight 3bet range/and image preflop and other opponent's pretty tight call 2 more cold against 2 solid players 3 and 4 betting it preflop mostly/accidentally made me make a knee jerk reaction at the time to check back as i know this is a yucky spot for my hand with these 2 guy's ranges preflop in this hand.

Last edited by DarkCheck; 12-30-2014 at 07:29 PM.
12-30-2014 , 08:53 PM
As played with the check through on the flop, does anyone like a turn raise (maybe trying to rep a whiffed C/R)? Or should OP just call down at that point?
12-30-2014 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mubsy Bogues
Without even running it I know we are not the equity leader in that scenario
You don't have to be the leader to make a raise correct. You just have to be getting back more than your fair share based on your preflop investment. So if there are 5 players to the flop, you need a 20% pot share to make the raise breakeven in isolation. Even if someone else owns 25%, the raise is still profitable.

Postflop stuff is just the gravy down to about T9s and J9s by my estimation. You gotta be good postflop relative to your opponents to raise worse.
01-03-2015 , 08:14 AM
If we all start playing QQ this way, when an A or a K flops, none of us will ever make any money.

The two most important things in this hand.

1) Its a late position raise. ( Less likely to have premium holding). SB has a wide range with the 3 bet.
2) Two players that are likelier to lay down a weak Ace as you described them than an average MS player.

Standard Play

I'm capping pre-flop, betting both the flop and turn and reevaluating the river but betting it a high percentage of times.

This is about as bad as you can play QQ 3 handed.
01-04-2015 , 08:02 AM
I don't think you should have a 4 betting range in this spot. Very rare to see someone open, then fold pf, ESP in this spot...and you don't really want them to anyway. You can make more money, be balanced, and make your postflop decisions easier on yourself by just calling with 100% of your continuing range.
As played, I think checking the flop is bad, as is folding turn.
01-04-2015 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by neuroman
As played with the check through on the flop, does anyone like a turn raise (maybe trying to rep a whiffed C/R)? Or should OP just call down at that point?
What would be a good reason to raise turn?
01-04-2015 , 08:11 AM
Where is this 40 game, btw?!
01-04-2015 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by guess_wh007

2) Two players that are likelier to lay down a weak Ace as you described them than an average MS player.
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They aren't folding an ace unless the board runs out something awful...
01-09-2015 , 02:44 PM
1) Yes, where is this 40 game?

2) The problem that I see here is that OP is playing midstakes and keeps asking about very common scenarios that are answered at micro-small stakes. He's asking how to adjust his mirrors in the Daytona 500.

3) OP has already stated in a previous thread that he is not a "math player" despite playing a "math game" dominated by "math players" many of whom so happen to frequent this forum. This is like talking to my grandparents on how to hook up my PS4 to a TV and then go for a few rounds of Battlefield. Pain and hilarity is bound to ensue.
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