How many spots does a game need to be profitable? - Page 2 - Medium Stakes Poker Forum

Also, it seems to me that the best players' edge over the mediocre TAGs is a lot smaller in a fullring environment with a whale or two than it would be shorthanded. There just aren't as many opportunites for "expert" plays when you have guys playing 70%+ nine handed.

True, but for the same reason the fish is donating less to each opponent in a full ring game than he or she is in a shorthanded game.

Basically, if you have a table with a couple of experts, a bunch of TAGfish, and one donator, even with a small rake, that's not a particularly profitable situation (and probably not profitable at all for the TAGfish).

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08-30-2014 , 04:03 AM

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Mubsy Bogues

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Originally Posted by barrel monkey

If the game is actually "high stakes" the number of bets coming off the table per hour is closer to one, unless the rake is ridiculous.

It's less than one. Closer to 1/2.

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08-31-2014 , 05:07 PM

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timmer

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one....

The spot thats empty when your first on the list.

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09-03-2014 , 12:24 AM

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tiger415

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Which game is better assuming hero thinks hero is the best or 2nd best player in both line ups?

A) A fullring loose passive 15 game where preflop gets limped around 5-7 way with several ppl with very high vpips.

B) A fullring 30 game where most villains are thinking. There's no huge fishes or crushers, but there are a bunch of Tagfishes and regs with small/frequent live leaks.

Assuming hero is risk neutral, Is it B ainec??

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09-03-2014 , 12:51 AM

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KL03

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I would choose A.

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09-03-2014 , 02:13 AM

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BigBadBabar

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tiger - is it a trick question? one game is full of fish and the other game doesn't have any fish. what is your thought process for thinking it's a close decision?

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09-03-2014 , 02:17 AM

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tiger415

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Not a trick question. I think it's just a simple math problem with complicated variables.

A small game full of big fishes, or
A big game filled with small fishes.

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09-03-2014 , 02:19 AM

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BigBadBabar

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okay, well, you're wrong and overthinking it

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09-03-2014 , 02:23 AM

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Captain R

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Originally Posted by tiger415

Not a trick question. I think it's just a simple math problem with complicated variables.

A small game full of big fishes, or
A big game filled with small fishes.

Well, you have to estimate your winrate in each of them. The first one, like maybe 1.5BB+/hr? The second maybe 0.5BB/hr?

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09-03-2014 , 03:19 AM

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You're overthinking the "how do I compare winrates" aspect and underthinking the "count the fish" aspect.

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09-03-2014 , 06:13 AM

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bakku

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i would sit in game b but that doesn't mean it's right

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09-03-2014 , 11:37 AM

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DeathDonkey

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I think it's close

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09-03-2014 , 12:12 PM

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Jon_locke

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Games get better.

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09-03-2014 , 12:55 PM

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As long as I'm in the game, you know where the fish is and you can be sure profit will be had. Thus, one is a correct answer.

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09-03-2014 , 05:31 PM

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I would say the wr between an expert and an average person who's read SSHE, will be small in game A and big in game B.

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09-03-2014 , 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain R

I would say the wr between an expert and an average person who's read SSHE, will be small in game A and big in game B.

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09-03-2014 , 07:11 PM

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I would say the wr difference between an expert and an average person who's read SSHE, will be small in game A and big in game B.

Er, one important word added!

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09-04-2014 , 01:02 AM

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Mubsy Bogues

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So tonight the lineup was:

1 crusher
2 good tricky tags, better than me
2 tagfish
1 lagfish
1 loose passive fish

neither of the spewing donators was playing.

i chose to not play, based on the advice ITT.

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09-04-2014 , 01:19 AM

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callipygian

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If you'd have been top half and being breakevenish doesn't bother you, it sounds like a perfect time to get some practice in.

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09-04-2014 , 01:54 AM

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OnTheRail15

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That game sounds fun at the very least.

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09-04-2014 , 02:18 AM

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Jon_locke

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Yes, I was going to post if your looking to play hi stakes, the games are often going to be much tougher lineups than what's described. 4 action players in a high stakes games is often as good as it gets.

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09-04-2014 , 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tiger415

A small game full of big fishes, or
A big game filled with small fishes.

Fast nickels are better than slow dimes.

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09-04-2014 , 09:54 AM

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If your bankroll isn't plenty healthy then a good decision to sit out... but otherwise I'd play in that game for all the reasons mentioned above.

4 action players in high stakes sounds like a dream, I'd say 2-3 is more common at 100/200 Commerce, and sometimes the entire game builds around 1 player, at which point I think it's not worthwhile.

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