EP and SB are aggrolags. As in EP is capable of holding 69s here. Rest are loose passive. Hero's image is LAG.

EP opens, 1 cold call, Hero flats BTN with 67ss, blinds call

Flop: 2s3dJs (5 players)
Checks to Hero. Hero bets, all call

Turn: 8h
Checks to Hero. Hero?


--Unlikely anyone has a J. So, good chance 6 and 7 are live as outs. Unlikely I will get xr'ed. Estimate that I have 11-12 outs. If I bet and get 3+ callers, it's +EV for that street. If I get 1 or 2 callers, I cost myself small immediate EV but set up a good bluffing opportunity on river if I miss in a pretty sizable pot. But this logic dictates that I should basically be triple barreling all my flush draws.

So, how many barrels do you like?

Either 0 from this point on or 2. I think you get called on this turn by a lot of stuff that plans to fold most rivers. Even against expert slowplay of like 33, you're pretty live.

Or to math-ify it.

7.5 BB pot when the action is on you on the turn. It's hard to say what the equilibrium point of folds is for FE alone to be profitable, since you could have anything from 0-4 callers on the turn. But let's say the "worst" scenario occurs and we get two callers (which isn't even that bad).

So river, 10.5 BB pot and if we whiff, we bet 1 to try and take it down. I think you get x/f from a lot of stuff (weak pairs, overs, A-hi gutshots, bigger FD), and the fact is, a river barrel has to work just 9.5% of the time for it to be profitable. And you're against guys who have done nothing but check call.

I think your hand + your opponent's likely distribution of holdings makes this a very good spot to unleash all the cannons. If I bet and get called in 3+ spots, I probably shut down river.

I'd fold pre. As things stand you need to barrel off now.

17 handed?

Agree with this.

Will add, what's your cold calling range here vs a guy that opens 69s+? What are you doing with 55, J9s pre? If those are 3 bets then I think you should give up as your range is going to be almost suited connector flush draws and very few pairs. If you can credibly rep 44+ and some J9s, J-10s type hands then I agree with OTR. I just think it's tough to rep those hands given how willing you should be to 3 bet pre-flop here..... And why it leads me to the inevitable agreement with OTR that you should fold pf.


I think this is a good thread to becusze it's a good example of taking a hand that will have decent equity and playability and shows why cold calling such a narrow range can be so problematic.

To be clear I also fold preflop but as played am OK taking a free card 5 handed.

This is only relevant if other players can diagnose this. Otherwise, he's just another live player cold calling raises with KJ/QJ/JT and betting it like it's the nuts when checked to.

That being said, I do understand the argument of not narrowing your range so much preflop. Just that in general, live players cold call so much, that another live player may falsely think you can have all sorts of hands that you really can't have.

Was tempted to change the hand to 2 coldcallers to sway discussion away from PF. But come to think of it, PF is worth talking about. First up against a raise, I'm always raise or fold. With 2 coldcallers, can call/limp along with a pretty wide range. With 1 coldcaller, things get nebulous. KTo 44 67s are tempting hands to play, but not great hands to 3b with.

But of course I justify flatting these hands because ego and villains being awful.

I think KTo is a slam dunk 3 bet given villain descriptions. And I'd turbo fold it faced w/ a reasonable ranged raise from UTG and a cold call.

My default PF 3! range is: 99+,A9s+, AJo+,KQs against standard opponent but will widen if opener is a bad lag. However, I also have 2 additional hands that I will 3! against all opener: 67s and 78s. I just throw in these 2 odd hands so I can occasionally show the table that I can 3! junks PF. But they'd be wrong if they expect to see me 3! other junks that are suppose to be stronger than these 2 hands, namely 89s,9Ts,,TJs etc etc. I never do that with those hands because the risk of being dominated by the initial raiser is REAL. Unlike the 67s and 78s....

Three betting these 2 medium suited connectors may be small net -EV overall but I like the table image I have when I get to show them down..

The pincus!

Ok.....whatever.....never mind

Sometimes they all fold.

You're probably right. And on this board nobody has anything ever

I'm fine with the pre-flop call.

Your equity 5-handed is only slightly behind with 76 suited against typical ranges (87 suited is the threshold of more than fair share of equity, according to Equilab). And you are on the button, which adds EV. So I suspect calling and getting a 5 handed pot is +EV overall.

til it goes click

To reiterate some questions brought up :

1. Against 1 limp, or 1raise+1coldcall, would you play raise-or-fold. Or is it possible to have a coldcall range that isn't too narrow?

2. Those advocating barrel-barrel-barrel. Do you give up on 'scary rivers'? Ace/4/5?

3. Does this mean with FD IP when checked to against a passive field, you would triple barrel a very high%?


In real time, I checked turn. I was focusing on my image, believing villains were prone to calling me light, reasoning I should reduce my bluff combos.

But even with your image, they have nothing and you have tons of equity. Your pairs might even be good.

And personally I would, as the people who think I'm a LAGgy kid wouldn't call me down w/ A hi here anyway, and the people who think I'm a nitbox will do what they do when a nit bets three times and fold. It gets complicated when there's a total station present, however.

I think those are the best rivers to bluff.

Should the hero be 3 betting with the hands you mentioned given his Laggy image and an agro lag in the SB?