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09-24-2016 , 10:58 AM
should the good player be capping with 99+, and calling with ajo/ats-aks and kqs? maybe 77-88 too?
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09-24-2016 , 01:19 PM
It's a five bet cap.

To answer the question though you'd have to start with OP telling us why villain knows/thinks we're three betting the hj light. It its because the HJ is a weaker player then there is no need to have a super balanced range. 4b the **** out of him pf with stronger hands and hands that benefit from getting the BB to also fold. Why in the world would you just want to CC with 99 and let the BB ride along getting 5:1? Why would you want to cc with KK when OP already thinks you're 4 light? He's not going to get full credit for his hand and he doesn't want the BB coming along getting great odds

It's been forever since I've played a 2/3 blind but I'd imagine the SB is treating it a lot like he would his BB with the added effect that he doesn't mine the BB coming along. He's got two pretty good, but not great cards. Stuff like J9s, QT, KT, 87s, Axs, etc... Hands that have too much value to just fold, aren't really strong enough to 4b oop, and are fine seeing a 4way flop
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09-24-2016 , 01:57 PM
i was assuming 100/200. are my ranges too tight for 1/2 structure?
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09-24-2016 , 02:10 PM
i personally would have no cc3 range in a 1/2 blind structure against this pf action, barring special snowflakes in the bb or hj. I'd be snap 4 betting all those hands
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09-24-2016 , 06:12 PM
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PokerCruncher-Advanced-iPhone V.9.4.2

(Equity, Win, Tie)
Player 1: 30.0% 29.1% 1.79% {22+, A2s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 86s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, A5o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo} [LP Open]
Player 2: 38.5% 37.6% 1.84% {55+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, ATo+, KJo+, QJo}
Player 3: 31.5% 31.2% 0.72% [6d6h]

Board: [? ? ? ? ?]
Deal To: River
Dead Cards: {}

Monte Carlo Simulation: 360000 trials
I guess we are folding 66 in the SB?
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09-24-2016 , 08:13 PM
And how do the other five hands included in 66- do?
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09-25-2016 , 02:29 PM
If you are asking if i can construct a balanced 3b calling range, no i don't think I can. It seems easier to just 4B 88+ and fold worse. But this is an area that generally confuses me.
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09-26-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by foobar
Similar thought process when I don't cap flop. Was gonna x/r non 6, J, h turn.

Maybe also worth mentioning this is a 2/3 blind structure game.
What was your position in OP? How would you x/r on turn?
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09-26-2016 , 02:23 PM
Sorry, typo. meant I didn't cap so I could raise turn.
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09-26-2016 , 07:33 PM
Meh I would just call the flop 4 bet planning to call down UI.
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10-03-2016 , 03:32 PM
So I honestly don't really remember this hand. I had to ask foobar what I had lol. But i will say that I would never call 3 cold in the sb here with pretty much anything and I would 4 bet the bb in this spot never. So I was almost certainly the bb this hand
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10-03-2016 , 03:34 PM
Never mind, mods please delete this comment.
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10-03-2016 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
should the good player be capping with 99+, and calling with ajo/ats-aks and kqs? maybe 77-88 too?
I would have 4 bet all those hands. Foobar was correct in assuming I would think he is often light here. The initial raiser usually plays fairly tight but had been loosening up quite a bit and is also a fit or fold player post flop. He also does not put in nearly enough action post flop with pretty strong hands.
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10-03-2016 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by drbk2
So I honestly don't really remember this hand. I had to ask foobar what I had lol. But i will say that I would never call 3 cold in the sb here with pretty much anything and I would 4 bet the bb in this spot never. So I was almost certainly the bb this hand
And I often get parts of hands wrong, but, as I told drbk, I'm almost positive I had this one right.

That said, he had 9h9x, so...yeah, maybe BB.
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10-03-2016 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!
It's a five bet cap.

To answer the question though you'd have to start with OP telling us why villain knows/thinks we're three betting the hj light. It its because the HJ is a weaker player then there is no need to have a super balanced range. 4b the **** out of him pf with stronger hands and hands that benefit from getting the BB to also fold. Why in the world would you just want to CC with 99 and let the BB ride along getting 5:1? Why would you want to cc with KK when OP already thinks you're 4 light? He's not going to get full credit for his hand and he doesn't want the BB coming along getting great odds

It's been forever since I've played a 2/3 blind but I'd imagine the SB is treating it a lot like he would his BB with the added effect that he doesn't mine the BB coming along. He's got two pretty good, but not great cards. Stuff like J9s, QT, KT, 87s, Axs, etc... Hands that have too much value to just fold, aren't really strong enough to 4b oop, and are fine seeing a 4way flop
So as I said before I don't have a cold calling range in the sb in this specific spot. I agree with all of your points about why 4 betting the sb with any hand you choose to continue with is clearly superior to calling, which is why I know almost certainly that I was not the sb in this hand.

I think the only time I can call the sb is if I know the bb is very tight and straightforward, and i would only do it with the strongest hands. Most tight straightforward players are going to 4 bet or fold from the bb, and if they do 4 bet they are going to c bet the flop near 100% of the time, which will allow me to check raise the field on most flops. If the bb folds preflop which will happen most of the time then I will be playing the hand as if I were the bb. This all being said, I don't remember the last time I played with someone who is like this.
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10-04-2016 , 06:47 PM
Is this a regular game? Out of morbid curiosity do any of the better players in the pool use a cold calling strat?

I've never played in a 2/3 structure. I readily admit a strategy that includes c'ing could be better, but every time i try to put together what that would look like I quickly get to 'ugh, why bother?' Feels like most of the time everything is cleaner if we just 4 bet and the times where we want to call for what ever the circumstances it isn't really that big a deal. Sure when we call we have a decapitated and sort of obvious range, but it's range of cards that I'm willing to play for three bets, four ways. Biggish pot, with four better than average hands means that most of the time there aren't going to be a lot of ways to win besides turning over the hand. Being balanced all the time is super funand all, but sometimes it can be a trill to just have more than your fair share of equity and just seeing who can out run everyone.

We're basically just playing smash and stack poker.
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10-04-2016 , 07:40 PM
Yeah, it's a regular game, but might be on life support a bit right now.

I have a SB CC range against some specific people in BB, but think I'm about the only reg that does.

Whether I'm one of the better regs depends on the day and whom you ask. But, either way, I do it with some thought at least.
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10-04-2016 , 07:47 PM
Damn I could have crushed that. I knew responding could be kinda sticky so I almost included a joke about not having to say anything if you were the only one who did it and you were terrible. Drat, no ever says I wish I had made less jokes on their death bed.

When I asked if it was regular I just wanted to make sure it ran long enough that people would have had time to work out a correct calling strategy
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