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I don't like it either, but I think the rationale is that we were drawing to a profitable bluffcatcher, which is a rare, but sometimes correct, circumstance.

We've already got a bluffcatcher.

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08-26-2014 , 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

We've already got a bluffcatcher.

I agree, but some minds might see it as an unprofitable bluffcatcher on most rivers, thus it's a draw to a profitable bluffcatcher since in their minds they have to dodge half of the deck.

I would classify K

3x as a draw to a profitable bluffcatcher because, although it has some unimproved showdown value and some strong draw potential, a decent chunk of it's equity is probably tied up in making 2 pair, trips, or hitting dry rivers.

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08-26-2014 , 10:47 AM

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Spoiler:

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08-26-2014 , 11:14 AM

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Totally thought a smoke bet was where one takes a drag on his cigar, puffs a big "O" before betting.

Learn something every day.

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08-26-2014 , 11:19 AM

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.... Specifically put smoke play to use on Saturday vs poster here....was doing it as a gag, somehow, my hand held up... Lol

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08-26-2014 , 11:26 AM

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I feel like smoke bets are usually either super strong hands, or good but vulnerable hands that smoke bet as a weird way to cope with a possible awkward spot on a bad river card. In this case it could be a somewhat clever way to induce a raise by any rivered flush if he has the A.

I haven't had much luck trying to pick off a smoke bluff thinking it might be a "strong means weak" type thing it always just ends up being "strong means strong".

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08-26-2014 , 11:35 AM

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.... Specifically put smoke play to use on Saturday vs poster here....was doing it as a gag, somehow, my hand held up... Lol

I know it wasn't me; only hand we played involved me doing my standard "x/r barrel off w/ a FD" routine.

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08-26-2014 , 12:13 PM

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I know it wasn't me; only hand we played involved me doing my standard "x/r barrel off w/ a FD" routine.

..... it was odd day for FW..... unfort at the must move table....full ring, and 6/10 can;t ever remember seeing at FW, and looked new to the game, and 2/10 are very infrequent visitors.... first time ever did not want to move to main table, and was #2 on list.....blah

Sunday, played with new guy. he called every raise, raised every limp for 9 hours. did very well 2. he only lost $6000 before leaving, at which time the other 7 quit and were knocking each other over racing to cage...

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08-26-2014 , 03:32 PM

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Can't fold TP on that decent runout when we don't even know what villain's smoke bet means. Easy game imo.

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08-26-2014 , 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929

Can't fold TP on that decent runout when we don't even know what villain's smoke bet means. Easy game imo.

Even after the A hits OTT and said opponent still fires river?

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08-26-2014 , 04:50 PM

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I think its a pretty close decision, but I definitely do not think he's stronger because of the smoke bet. To me its just as likely he's doing it out of confusion (as in ruh roh turn is ace duno what to do with pair), or he's bluffing and thinks it looks strong. And of course more often than not he's got a strong hand, but I'd err on the side of calling down. If I had a good enough LP read to consider folding, I'd do it on the turn.

pretty much this.

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08-26-2014 , 05:17 PM

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Even after the A hits OTT and said opponent still fires river?

Yeah, can't fold here. Well, I mean, I'm never folding here, to be more precise. BTW, I would be more afraid of a hesitation bet than a smoke bet. Smoke bet could be one of those "strong = weak" bets. Either way I'm gonna find out. I suspect smoke bet does polarize villain's range which is more reason to call.

Edit: I should say, I suspect villain's smoke bet makes his range more polarized (the nut FD hitting TP on the turn is obviously still there).

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08-26-2014 , 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

I know it wasn't me; only hand we played involved me doing my standard "x/r barrel off w/ a FD" routine.

...defining my version of "smoke play" has nothing to do with skill level or outplaying/beating an opponent ....... I cracked up with the description of moving chips on the felt so fast and decisive, smoke was generated.....

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08-27-2014 , 01:45 PM

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Raise the turn Ace and presmoke him!

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