Primary villain (V1) in this hand is a trickier, LAGgish guy in the game. I actually like his post flop game a lot. He knows I'm capable of laying a hand down when I'm almost certainly beat.

Edit: one noteworthy, relevant spot was a time he x/r/4!'d a turn on a K hi FD and almost got a fold on the end. So he's capable of a four bet bluff.

V2 in this hand is a spot, and in the BB.

Action: V1 opens early (wider than most, likely), I 3! Q J late, V2 calls, V1 calls.

Flop (9.5 SB): J T 3

X/x/I bet/they call

Turn (6.25 BB): 2

X/x/I bet/V2 call/V1 now raises...

Call down all but the worst cards? Or 3!/fold and try to blow what could be a five outer from V2 out of the pot?

The benefits don't seem to outweigh the risks here. If you thought that the player in the blinds might have and fold a better hand, that would be one thing, but merely getting him off of a five outer in a 10-12BB pot in which he's going to put in one or two BB anyway doesn't seem to be much of a benefit compared to possibly folding the best hand or paying an extra two bets to SD vs a strongish range.

Is SB really going to call two here with AT/KT/etc? The pot is reasonable, but not gigantic, and he's getting 12.25:2 on a call.

If I 3 bet I would value bet river. I think that's a little better option than calling down but not sure

What are we hoping calls? AT/J9 I guess?

I was referring to the player in the blinds either calling one BB on the turn when we call or calling the turn and river if you call. Basically, I'm saying that while there is a benefit to getting AT to fold to a 3b, that benefit is mitigated by the fact that the player will be putting in 1-2BB if we call.

Villain's line doesn't make much sense to take with a value hand. I would still just call down, but 3betting and never folding would be second imo.

Isn't getting both players to put 2 bb on the turn getting value? Or are you implying it's a risky play to let the turn check through and thus unlikely to be value?

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probably easier to just call down then to possibility get blown off the best hand.

you answered your question already

so ya, dont fold.

letting the turn get checked thru with a strong hand and giving ak, aq, kq, a free shot is just disastrous so slowplaying jt or a set is really bad here.

Just because he's capable, doesn't mean we shouldn't fold what's near the rock bottom of our range (I guess I'd consider FSDR w/ AT as well; in fact, that might be a better hand to do it with since I might even fold better from BB).

It is a big point against FSDR, though, since I'm opening myself up to getting completely face-owned.

FSDRing is bluffing with our value range. Don't do it.

Even when we can blow someone whose pot equity will effectively transfer to us out of the pot?

Is this necessarily true?

That was my thinking at the time. I'll do the stove, though, to see what happens (assuming V1 can actually have a made monster here).

V2 has draw or 2pair draw (lol). I'd for sure FSDR and fold to a 4bet, I know you hate folding tho