FW 20. A bad white LAG in a suit (who is one of the worst players in the game, if not the single worst) raises in the HJ or so. It's folded to me and I 3bet KQ in the BB. He calls.

Flop J J T. I bet, he raises, I call.

Turn 9. I check, he bets, I raise, he calls quickly.

River 8. I bet and he confidently raises. I call or 3bet?

u just call unless he is one of those LAGs who'd go 7 bets here with QJ. Seriously, everybody in that game is so MUBSy on the river and he is RAISING!!!

i like just calling unless he is a short stacking maniac

Just call, I don't like 3betting a flush + paired board.

If he is a complete nimrod he doesnt have a flush, 88's,or 99's so I dont mind a 3 bet considering i expect him to show QQ's here most of the time.

But terrible players to this degree can show up with weird ones that also make a little sense like Jd8d.

Raise. He could be doing this with any queen. Also, just call preflop.

why wouldn't J8 make sense?

Change the word "little" to "some" in my statement and that was what I was trying to say. As much as he is representing QQ's or Qx here he could show up with some surprising hands that we beat and dont beat.

First of all, I love the title of your OP! Good one.

Now I understand those posts which encourage a raise here--get max value and all that--but I just straight-up disagree with them. Even morons make their hands once in a while, and I TOTALLY agree with the person who noted above that the board is not only paired, but also flushed, so this is a spot to call, not raise. Also, I don't understand at all why anyone would "expect for villain to show down Q-Q here most of the time." Why? That is, IMO, one of many possible holdings, and the fact that this MIGHT be villains hand here is not a good reason in and of itself to raise for value.

I disagree with this reasoning. I mean, the OP said he's a dolt, and why Q-Q "most of the time"? Am I missing something here?

No no no.

This river is closer to a fold than a raise, though I would do neither. It's an easy call and expect to win often enough to make it profitable, but don't be surprised to lose. Live 20 players just don't very often raise 3-flush paired-board rivers with one-card straights after getting checkraised on the flush turn.

Bad players tend to be bad for reasons of: poor hand reading skills, valueing their hands relative to the board, lack the ability of deception and so on. Have you ever played against someone that you had complete control over. It is usually because their actions are so straight forward and similar from one hand to the next that we are almost playing as if we can see their cards.

Now we have a situation where it is possible we are up against a player who likely wouldn't raise 88's or 99's on the flop, or just call a turn raise with a flush. We can likely narrow his range quicker than against a tougher opponent which is why I'd expect him to show the Q here often. If he could show up here with the forementioned hands he wouldnt be classified as possibly the worst player ever.

Has to be qj or j8. I call and can't imagine raising or folding. If you raise and he 4bets are you folding?

What hand could he just call the turn raise then raise the river on a 4 card straight? He is either repping a monster on the turn and waiting till the river to raise, or he believes his Q is good enough for a river raise. The problem here is we are playing against "if not the single worst player" which teeters me to him just having a Q.

worst in the game means worst at the table, not worst player ever. keep in mind he could also have a flush that is waiting for the river to not double pair before putting in more raises.