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03-01-2017 , 07:19 PM
LAGy LHE game. EP is the loosest at the table.

EP raises, MP calls, I 3b in the HJ with AJ
Button calls, BB calls, EP calls and MP calls.

Flop is J95

MP bets, I raise, button reraises, BB folds, EP calls three cold, MP calls two cold, I call.

Turn is 3

EP checks, MP checks, I check...

Button bets, EP calls, MP raises... I fold.

All others call.

River K

check, check check

Spoiler:
MP and Button both had AJo, and split the pot.



Critiques and thoughts welcome....
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03-01-2017 , 09:56 PM
I'm ok with your decision not to cap the flop. I'd put BTN's range as something like 55/99/AJs/KJs/QJs with maybe some QTs/JTs/J9s/T8s depending on how loose he is preflop in this spot. Maybe you could cap some AJhh or AJdd depending on what you think of his range, given there are 3 other guys in the pot who you likely are ahead of. You want to have a few hands that can call flop and c/r the turn so I think this is a good one to throw into that range.

On the turn, you are pretty much at the top of your range so I would not fold. I'd coldcall the raise and go from there. You underplayed your hand a bit on the flop so EP could definitely have a worse hand here.
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03-02-2017 , 12:31 AM
I think cold calling turn is the best play here. We're really only worried about sets from BTN, and sets/top two from MP (and their lines would be weird for those big hands). It's uncomfortably to call cold, but this pot is too big and our hand is too good.
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03-02-2017 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Frankie Fuzz

On the turn, you are pretty much at the top of your range so I would not fold. I'd coldcall the raise and go from there. You underplayed your hand a bit on the flop so EP could definitely have a worse hand here.
i think you're at the bottom of your range. agree with calling
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03-02-2017 , 11:54 AM
I like it as played. Quite a parlay to be ahead here
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03-02-2017 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
i think you're at the bottom of your range. agree with calling
Well I guess the range of hands we raise the flop with but don't cap when it's 3bet is somewhat narrow (TT/AJs). Or are you assuming we delay with some QQ+? I'm guessing we should probably have a very small amount of KQs or AK/AQ with bd flush draw in our flop raising range as well.

Last edited by Frankie Fuzz; 03-02-2017 at 01:02 PM.
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03-02-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie Fuzz
Well I guess the range of hands we raise the flop with but don't cap when it's 3bet is somewhat narrow (TT/AJs). Or are you assuming we delay with some QQ+?
all right than, which hand is worst you would have ?
TT you would call the flop after being 3bet and 2 other callers ?
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03-02-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
i think you're at the bottom of your range. agree with calling
If EP is the loosest player in a LAGgy game, then I doubt we're anywhere close to the bottom of our range.
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03-02-2017 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp
all right than, which hand is worst you would have ?
TT you would call the flop after being 3bet and 2 other callers ?
Seems like a trivially easy call. You would fold for 1 more getting (if my count is correct) 26:1 ?
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03-02-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
If EP is the loosest player in a LAGgy game, then I doubt we're anywhere close to the bottom of our range.
what's the worst hand you 3bet pre and the worst hand you raise flop?
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03-02-2017 , 03:56 PM
Op described game as LAG, anyone like just donking such a safe turn card?
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03-02-2017 , 04:25 PM
This is a rare spot where I am okay flat calling pre against a standard ep raiser who plays somewhat whimsically/standard/lag.

As played bet/fold the turn. River if called, check because you beat only QJ.

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 03-02-2017 at 04:31 PM.
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03-02-2017 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by steveistheman84
what's the worst hand you 3bet pre and the worst hand you raise flop?
Given player descriptions, I'd probably have KJs in my range and potentially QJs.
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03-02-2017 , 04:45 PM
I'd probably flat ATs, and re-raise AJs pre, depends on the player of course. You don't always want to re-open the betting, though you do have position, and equity over the laggy's range. Also, the LAG is likely to continue betting regardless of what hits, and make mistakes on later streets, which is why sometimes I just call AJs.

Usually the check on the turn is a deer in headlights by the laggy. OMG am I beat?

Last edited by leavesofliberty; 03-02-2017 at 05:03 PM.
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03-02-2017 , 05:23 PM
Call flop, raise safe turn might have been the best line here.
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03-02-2017 , 06:06 PM
People all over the map here. I would have capped flop and led turn. I think button takes a free card on turn a lot. As played turn is a tough spot but it's hard for MP to have you beat imo. If he led out the flop with a set good for him. No one does.

I've noticed you tend to be fairly results oriented in the hands you choose to post. Most of your errors are probably in smaller, less memorable hands.
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03-02-2017 , 07:44 PM
nh, i think you played it well. calling turn would be quite hopeful ^_^

Capping flop is fine. calling 3 is fine as well imo. depends on the cold 3bettors range the most to me
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03-02-2017 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Frankie Fuzz
Seems like a trivially easy call. You would fold for 1 more getting (if my count is correct) 26:1 ?
Well I would not raise flop but once you did you have to call, EP gave dead money in the pot by calling.
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03-03-2017 , 03:24 AM
I think we're behind enough that we should fold. People just are way too honest with these strong lines. BTN 3b flop + lead turn into 3 ppl is really honest. MP turn raise is honest.

Exception would be if you have history to believe that have or can take this line with subpar hands, or are capable making an interesting finesse play.
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