Joker opens in MP and the fishy button cold calls. I call BB 3 ways.

Q74tt

Joker bets fish folds I raise joker calls.

6r

I bet joker calls

Ar

Help me construct ranges for various actions. Or is that too ambitious?

C/r river, easy game.

He has few aces in his range, no? Is the flop suited? I'd bet for value here.

jokers range is full of hands( 9s,ts,js )that A doesnt help

I don't actually remember what position he opened, but it was probably like the lowjack. 9.5, what hands would you bet for value? Did you notice I did not specify my holding?

This is a great exercise.

I'm probably too weak to provide input but I'll take a shot just to get discussion going. Please don't flame too hard.

flop C/R: 22+, AK, A[Q74], K[Q74], QX, X7, 76s?, combo draws, flush draws
flop K/C: AJ-A8,A6-A2,JT, 98, ... do we need more?
flop K/F: T9,JX

turn: ???

river K/R bluff: some broken draws
river K/F: K-high and worse
river K/C: A9-2,...
river B/F: QX,AJ-AT,...
river B/C: AK,A7,A6,A4
river K/R: AQ
river B/3: AA,QQ

If you were playing your hand blind (and joker didn't know) you should check raise.

So what does that mean about your action?

I think it would be nice to know how strong your hand is here, because I assume joker will bet if checked to a majority of the time. I also think that you think he is tricky enough to raise if you bet out. We know that he's capable of folding to a c/r here as well.

If you were looking to value bet the river, I would check and let him bet my hand for me. If you're holding some sort of busted draw here I think you go for the river c/r/f. I don't put something like A5 out of range for him here fwiw.

/2 scotches deep and kinda watching the puppy bowl. This thread made my head hurt a bit

i bet riv 4 value with any Q or better

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That everything you see ain't really how it be
A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style
Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile
Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria
Synthesized surface conceals the interior

All the hands you listed can't call.

imo

c/f some 7's and worse value hands along with some missed bluffs
c/r two pears and better* and some bluffs
c/c super low frequency with something like a 7, bluff-catchers

as for frequencies, no idea

that's awful. What if he has a weak queen or any pp below it.

Now we lost a ton of value.

yeah it does sound awful. i'm stuck on this position, i'm blank as to how we are supposed to balance our range made up mostly of bluffs and mediocre value hands.

you guys are making poker too hard.

You just kind of hit it...on this river our range is pretty darn weak vs his showdown hands.

88+ if there was no flushdraw on flop

No it isn't. Assuming no fd, how does his turn calling range change to river. He has a pair a lot when he calls airball turn or he is thinking of calling down light.

i assumed the flop "tt" notation was some sort of flushdraw

i count ~29 combo's hitting the river ace for pj and 24 being 88-JJ. i'm assuming he has a few non-pair hands like K9-KJfd, JTfd. around half of his range hits the river ace. i would think if you were betting the river for value, it would be mainly with two-pairs and sets (~20 combos, around 13% of your range). idk but maybe you're supposed to bet some qx hands (~55 total) to balance out the airball hands you have (~11 missed non-pair fd's) or just bluff a lot less. if you include qx hands as bluff catchers, 78% of our range on the river are bluff catchers, which leads me to think checking our whole range is a lot easier to balance. i assume much of my thinking is flawed in some way.

There was a FD on the flop tt means two toned.

Joker has waited to raise top pair hands until the river against me in the past; he is capable of having a pair of queens after he makes smoov on the turn.

is OP privatejoker or some random bad spazzy lag that you're reffering to as joker?