Of course he's pretty good - the Warriors let him go. If things follow their usual pattern, he's a favorite to make All-Star.

True, I should love it just like I'm supposed to love getting sucked out on, but I don't think it'll ever get better than a love/hate thing.

Lol wow

not really analogous. appreciating getting sucked out on requires you to distance yourself from the immediate loss you suffered, and realize it's indicative of bad play that will benefit you in the long run. in the case of a massive obvious tell, they are straight showing you their hand. no long term philosophical perspective needed -- you save money instantly.

only reason i can think of for being bothered is the implied insult that you are dumb enough to fall for such an obvious ruse. but they think the ruse is really clever, so it's actually hilarious and nothing but enjoyable.

As far as Lin is concerned, it's not like baseball where teams just haven't figured out he can't hit the curveball. Will they adjust when they see more video? Sure. They'll start giving him his shot outside because he is a very tentative and mediocre shooter. They'll start taking away nothing except his ability to drive to the lane, and so on. Jeremy Lin is probably not as good as he looks right now, but it's not like making adjustments is going to shut him down.

You don't put up five game stretches like he has without being a legitimate NBA player. Remember, it's kinda embarrassing for guys to be getting lit up by him. They are going at him hard from the second game on. Has he played mostly weak defensive teams and had good matchups? Sure. But there are a lot of those in the league and the kid is a legitimate player. Right now, he's the best point guard on an average NBA team and even though a healthy Baron Davis is probably better, Lin will likely be in the league for years just based on his performance over the last five games.

He's a lot better than Tebow because Lin is realistically a league average PG right now with room to improve. Tebow will never, ever be a league average quarterback unless some wizard coach can make an option attack work in the NFL.

The God stuff is pukeworthy, of course.

Couple Commerce 40/80 2-7 TD hands:

The game is badugi, badacey, baducy, 2-7 TD, Omaha 8, and Stud 8 (not in that order).

V1 is reasonably aggro, talks a lot, looser than most of the players at the table.

V2 is pretty upset at how bad he's running in the game and is probably on the tighter side.

V3 talks a lot but generally plays straightforward. He has been away from the table a lot though so not really sure of his play.

I have won pretty much every pot I've played since sitting down about an hour before these hands. Have shown down some strong hands and won a few without showdown.


Hand 1: I open 88422 from UTG+1 (6 handed). Folds to V1 in SB who says "since you've won every pot, I call" and flats, V2 in BB 3-bets, I call?, V1 calls.

V1 takes 4 (lol), V2 takes 1, I take 2 to have (842)5K. V1 checks, V2 bets, I call?, V1 calls.

V1 takes 2, V2 takes 1, I take 1 to have (8542)J. V1 checks, V2 bets, I call?, V1 folds.

V2 takes 1, I stand? V2 checks, I check?


Hand 2: V3 opens UTG+1, V1 3-bets next in, I have T8742 in the BB and cap and stand pat planning to break if raised on any street?

I think you should break hand one. You're turning your hand face up and you have terrible roi doing this. All this to be slightly better than even money.

Hand two is a very easy break I think.

Would you 4-bet and draw 1 or flat and draw 1?

Tebow proved in the playoffs that he's certainly capable of making long, accurate throws. I think he can be coached into being a perfectly adequate QB.

Having known nothing about NFL football my whole life, including now, I think the amount and the depth of technical insight required to succeed at the NFL level at quarterback is something that Tim Tebow probably does not have, nor will he ever.

He might be able to become an adequate thrower of a pig-skinned football, though. Or even better.

ell oh ell

pig4wrong strikes again

Why wow? You played that hand quite poorly.

Agree with OTR about hand 1, drawing probably has slightly better EV.

Second hand, cap and draw. If it's a 5 bet cap I could see that as reason to just call.

Hand 1: If you're going to keep your jack, you should raise after the second draw; but you don't know if V1 is going to stick around or not, so you don't really know whether or not you should keep your jack -- three ways you should definitely break. After V1 folds, standing pat really defines your hand as something that is breakeven versus a single 1-card draw but not so versus two draws. This lets V2 play the river perfectly. So I think the right thing to do is to call the bet after the second draw and to pitch the jack whether or not you are up against one villain or two.

Hand 2: Cap and break the ten AINEC.

I would call and pat the Jack in hand 1; easy 4 bet and break hand 2.

I think we are overly concerned with turning our hand face up.

Agree with your second point, but we're only small favorites patting the jack, and near 50/50 when drawing. I think when we draw we have better IOs on the river.

Close decision either way, but one thing for sure... The fact that we didn't raise after the second draw certainly doesn't preclude us from patting the last draw. There's a similar discussion that just took place in the draw forum.

lol online players

Incorrect.

Oh, sorry, didn't realize you knew the players better than I did. Carry on.

The fact that it's a close decision makes small factors like whether or not our action turns our cards face up closer to being deciders.

Can you give a link to the thread in D&OP?

The only possible justification for checking back the turn would be the possibility of inducing a river bluff. So if you think calling the river is a small mistake, what the **** are you doing?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21/draw-other-poker/ceegees-new-2-7tds-series-cardrunners-1161254/

Edit: Don't know why that's coming up non-clickable, sorry.

The first sentence is a fallacy, which invalidates the rest of your post.

When he sits up and shakes his head and checks, going through that whole act means he has the Ac like all the time. So maybe I should have said calling the river was a large mistake. But after he whiffs his turn c/r, there's a chance he goes for a river c/r, which could allow me to put no more bets into the pot with 0% equity. Betting the turn against that player doing that act is lighting money on fire.

What does "technical insight" mean in relation to being an NFL QB?

You're already wrong, because he's already succeeded. He went 8-5 as a starter and was named as next season's starter.

Wat? If you admit this, you're saying he can be an adequate QB, because it was the only area he was far below average in.

Hand 1 don't have anything to add to the discussion, its close whether to break the J8, raising the turn would be real bad.
Hand 2 patting the Ten is somewhere between really bad and just divide your chips up to all your opponents and leave the table to go cry bad. If villains were more competent the decision would be whether to keep the 8 or draw to 247, but considering the reads and stakes and whatnot 4 bet and keep the 87 draw is easily the best choice.