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07-02-2014 , 12:35 PM

mongidig

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The SB seems loose and passive pre. Pretty straightforward post but small sample size.

I open KK in HJ and only SB calls.

AT3....SB donks....absent a really good read I typically call down here and take a note. If we do call down and villain shows an Ace, how should we adjust for the next time he donks in a similar situation? Do we make him fire a couple barrels and make a decision on river? Do we get away from the hand earlier?

How would you play 99 in the original scenario? How about if the flop came A83?

Obviously we need to get a good idea of what he is donking with. I would like to know how you guys handle these spots given the limited read.

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07-02-2014 , 12:43 PM

Man of Means

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Ideally, we'd like to have some baseline read on what a donk means in this game. What is he cold-calling the SB with? Have you seen him check/call down w/ top pair? Does he donk for information with a marginal hand?

In a typical sshe game, I'd feel comfortable mucking 99 but would tend to call down with KK-JJ. Your game might be different.

Players do adjust and if you call down and see an Ace, next time might be different. Your adjustment could be to raise the flop or call one bet and consider folding the turn (given that you proved yourself a payoff wiz).

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07-02-2014 , 01:18 PM

Donk Quixote

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Agree, except I think the only adjustments we should make are calling down or folding the flop, raising is bad. If he doesn't have an ace, he's probably trying to find out if you have one, don't blow him off a worse hand.

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07-02-2014 , 01:26 PM

steveistheman84

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vs an unknown, i'd always be calling down. probably expect to see a raggedy ace. would help to know if there's a flush draw present since a lot of bad players take this semibluff line. (and folding the flop is terrible).

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07-02-2014 , 01:35 PM

mongidig

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Rainbow board.

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07-02-2014 , 01:52 PM

steveistheman84

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still call down. if dude donk c/'d the turn though, i'd be betting turn and river, knowing that i'd be value owning myself a portion of the time.

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07-02-2014 , 04:51 PM

thesilverbail

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With donking, there's not much you can say from 1 hand unfortunately because people have such different ranges for donking. One thing you can do is to note whether he shows up with A2 or AK. In the first case it indicates he donks hands he doesnt want to c/r or ck-call which means he's going to be really easy to play against. In the second case he was planning a tarp d/3! which he generally balances with very weak donks. This is not as easy to play against but theoretically you should be fine with it since his donking range is polarized and you have position.....

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07-02-2014 , 05:42 PM

phunkphish

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If we want to get to SD cheaply, can't we raise flop, free card turn, cry-call river, and save half a bet? We are equally unknown to villain - easy fold if we get 3!ed or double-donked.

How to adjust in the future: fold the bottom of your range when he donks, and smile that you didn't waste a SB cbetting.

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07-02-2014 , 06:23 PM

steveistheman84

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that sounds terrible.

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07-03-2014 , 09:16 PM

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AlanBostick

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Put me in the "call down" camp, with the explicit intention of taking a note on the showdown. I might just fold 99, but I'm calling down with JJ or a hand like JT.

One showdown isn't going to be enough to form a solid plan for exploiting, though. We need to get a sense of "with what else does this villain donk the flop?"

Worth noting: I am calling the flop donk with all of my continuing range, and intending to raise TPGK or better on the turn.

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07-03-2014 , 10:50 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

Against a good deal of opponents, I'm waiting until the river to unleash with a good hand. Some of these guys, I might double-float as well.

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07-04-2014 , 11:19 PM

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asmitty

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Call 3x /thread

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07-05-2014 , 12:23 PM

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CrazyLond

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

If we want to get to SD cheaply, can't we raise flop, free card turn, cry-call river, and save half a bet? We are equally unknown to villain - easy fold if we get 3!ed or double-donked.

I would prefer to value bet the turn if I decide to raise the flop and then check behind the river. I feel like I get value from more hands from the turn bet than I beat if he decides to bet the river after I check the turn.

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