5-handed late-night cbury must move. Villain is, as far as I can tell, a solid/thinking/winning reg. He normally plays the 30/40 games, but only the 20 is going this night. Clearly knows how to play well. I've been getting a bunch of hands and have been raising a ton PF but haven't shipped too many pots. Neither of us have gotten out of line. No real history between us either.

I open from the CO, villain 3! sb, weak/passive bb calls two cold, I call.

Flop: Kxxtt. No clubs. Villain bets, bb folds, I have a strong hand and I call intending to raise turn (would have raised flop had bb called).
Turn: KxxTtt. Villain bets, I raise, villain pauses for a moment and 3!. Board has two spades and two hearts.



Two questions:
First, villain has QJ. Is this really such a great turn for the 3! semibluff? I feel like he's ahead against anything I'm bluffing with and will never get me to fold anything I'm raising for value. It's been a while since I've played shorthanded poker with aggressive/thinking players, is this 3! standard?

Second, does anyone ever fold a king here? A ten? I have K8, which rivers do I fold?

If you plan to post your own pocket cards , please post it in the beginning, no real point in delaying it and makes the post harder to read.
I think that villains line is not super standard, sometimes he should be calling your raise with that part of hits range. It depends on some meta game consideration as well, how he views you etc
Don't fold turn, evaluate river.

Q1, I don't love villains semibluff on the turn with this two tone board, but in shorthanded play a lot of it is going to be dependent upon the opponent. Are you semibluffing turned flush draws here, would you typically raise the flop with top pair on a 2 two toned board etc. You under repped your hand on the flop so villain could very well think you have picked up a flush draw or a 10 on the turn and be betting not to get you to fold the turn but blank rivers, especially if you have shown a tendency to make hero folds on the river.
Q2 I am never folding a K here shorthanded if I have no history against the opponent, however there are plenty of people in that game that you can fold all rivers UI against. A ten is closer, but after you have this hand as history I'm not folding a 10 here either. Its hard to make a decision in this hand bc there are a lot of different playing styles among the reg winning 30/40 players. Most that are playing the late night 20 game are capable of enough balance where making marginal folds isn't profitable.

Maybe this was just a dumb idea, but I didn't post hole cards right away cause I didn't want it to influence the evaluation of villain's turn 3! relative to my range as a whole.

I don't get it -- your plan on the flop is to call and raise the turn, then once you do raise the turn you're stymied that villain 3-bet you? Doesn't sound like much of a plan. What did you think was going to happen when you raised the turn -- villain was going to stand up and recite the Gettysburg address in Portuguese?

Did you read my post? I'm not stymied that villain 3bet, I'm just surprised he did it with QcJc here. My first question was about the quality of his 3bet with that holding, not about optimal play with K8s. And I did have a plan: call down non Ah/As rivers. The second question was asked just to make sure good, thinking players would do the same given villain/reads.

Villain's play is not generally good unless you have a particular weakness for folding too much here. He should either not 3b at all in this spot as you are showing a lot of strength and will almost always bet the river, or he should choose one of the many stronger draws in his range. Bluffing this hand is unbalanced and creates a 3b range with too many bluffs.

As to your play, you should fold some hands to villains 3b within a balenced strategy. However, c/r'ing a T here is not good. K8 is close to a typical waiting hand. You might consider folding it against some so long as you have many other hands which would call. You should obviously not be folding any made hands in this situation against this player after seeing this play.

+1

Totally agree. K8 is probably close to the worst hand you will have here (maybe K6s/K7s?) so from a GTO perspective folding it wouldn't be terrible, but I think we should waiver from making folds like this when we decide to take a route that bloats the pot until we develop a very good read on our opponent.