Stakes 20/40

Villain 1: Quintessential old man nit, 70+ years old, supernit. I've only played with him a few times but that seems to be his reputation.

Villain 2: Maniac, lag, aggro, bad player. Will raise/3-bet pre with any 2 and will raise post flop with any draw

Villain 1 raises UTG+2 (first time he has raised preflop in ~2 hours of sitting, probably 3rd or 4th hand played all night). Villain 2 3-bets from the button. I look down in the BB and spot AQ. I call. (Thoughts? I hate being a nit but is this a ever a fold here? I feel like this is more of a call with the overlay of the button. Could I really fold AQs in the BB against a single EP raise?)

Flop comes K J 2. I check, V1 checks, V2 bets, I call, V1 c/rs (pretty much never seen him put it raises post flop before), V2 calls. I call.

Turn comes A. I check, V1 bets, V2 folds, and I....?

he has a set of kings. Terrible float oop on the flop. Call pre is fine fold turn

You're getting 8:1; you need 10.5:1. Are you going to get two bets out of a nit on the river if a T hits, even if the nit has a set of kings?

Turn is a fold.

this is a limit holdem forum

Why do you think so?

So he has JJ, QQ, KK, AA or AK....but these kind of nits don't even like raising AK sometimes

I like a fold pre.

Only call preflop if you capable of fold on this board on turn.

PF and flop seem fine, fold the turn.

I agree. But if I'm honest with myself, I'm calling here way too often. A good OP, IMO, because it's one of those spots where I have to be honest with myself that I'm spewing here...

Grunch

Interesting hand. I like pf and flop. I don't think your 2p outs are good so you need to hit a T and you're not getting a good price for that. Awful spot but if you folded here ott I'd say vnh.

Calling the turn in spots like this is one of the largest mistakes I see people making on a regular basis.

pgcounty is right. You're crushed pre, fold this one and wait for when you have an actual hand to get involved with this quintessential nit. And get the seat to his right!

I usuallycheck raise this flop given button LAGtard's description by OP. Also to see where nit old man is. Usually NIT old man folds. If not, we give up on hand unless a Ten peels the turn. If NIT old man folds, we are either ahead of LAGtard button, or we have 7-10 outs most of the time.

I think preflop call is fine. But I'm folding on this flop. Too likely that nit has KK, possibly AA or JJ. Turn is also a fold.

And why would someone call this flop if they were going to fold the turn when an A came? Are you really going to call the flop on with the hopes that you'll get a T or a rr flush?

Yes. Folding the flop would be really bad.

OK I just saw the "3-bets" preflop. I was thinking it was only two, sorry.