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01-01-2017 , 11:05 PM
LJ is an older talkative white guy. He has both a limping and a raising range preflop. He is straightforward post flop but has some spaz in him.

HJ is a nondescript middle aged asian dude.

LJ opens, HJ 3bets, CO folds, I cap AK. Everyone else folds and they call.

Flop T 6 8. They both check, I bet, they both call.

Turn A. They both check, I bet, HJ check raises, CO cold calls, I 3bet, they call.

River J. They both check and I check it back.
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01-01-2017 , 11:29 PM
I don't get it. I wouldn't have 3 bet the turn but if I did I would bet the river.
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01-02-2017 , 12:07 AM
I always expect to lose to aces up here, so i just make them price it. Call turn and bet river if cracked to.
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01-02-2017 , 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
...so i just make them price it.
Hi desert cat could you explain what that means? thanks!
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01-02-2017 , 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
Call turn and bet river if cracked to.
+1
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01-02-2017 , 10:33 AM
The positions of players changed after the flop.
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01-02-2017 , 11:33 AM
It seems like you overplayed the hand on the turn and recognized it so you checked the river. I would have just called down the turn CR
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01-02-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
It seems like you overplayed the hand on the turn and recognized it so you checked the river. I would have just called down the turn CR
I mean the question I'd ask is what villain would do on this turn with A9. Donk, check raise, or play it defensively / trying to get to showdown.

Regardless, I think the J is a poor card to value bet a river on, given that it makes a good chunk of hands stronger (I haven't stoved it so I'm not sure how many).
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01-02-2017 , 01:08 PM
A9 in villains shoes seems like an ideal donk candidate multiway and a c/r if HU

agree w/ desertcat
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01-02-2017 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
A9 in villains shoes seems like an ideal donk candidate multiway and a c/r if HU

agree w/ desertcat
Agreed, so against us three betting AK is probably bad. But who knows how this dude plays A9 here
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01-02-2017 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
I always expect to lose to aces up here, so i just make them prove it. Call turn and bet river if checked to.
FMP
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01-02-2017 , 02:56 PM
Ranges are tight; our double barrel looks a lot like big ace. I can't see too many people xr'ing with weak ace here.

If you're absolutely sure no one has a set, and no one will 4b with AT, and optimistic that villains xr with a lot of worse aces, then maybe an argument could be made for fsdr, betting river if a K or T comes.
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01-02-2017 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey
It seems like you overplayed the hand on the turn and recognized it so you checked the river. I would have just called down the turn CR
Are there any older talkative white guys at Commerce who will bet the river here with a hand that doesn't beat A-K? I realize we're getting a half a zillion to one.
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01-03-2017 , 02:26 PM
I think this flop is close to an ideal check back candidate.
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01-03-2017 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I think this flop is close to an ideal check back candidate.
I disagree with this fwiw
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01-03-2017 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I think this flop is close to an ideal check back candidate.
I would agree if the flop was a pip higher..Jh7h9c
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01-03-2017 , 06:21 PM
Not saying I like the 3-bet, but the people who are saying the river check is inconsistent with the turn 3-bet are just wrong. If you're 3-betting the turn it's because you think AQ/AJ is a huge part of hijack's range, and because lojack has a lot of draws you want to fold out. In case you can't read the board, part of AQ/AJ got there. Some possible lojack hands got there too. And lojack is no longer paying with a missed draw.

The guys that are saying checking the river is wrong if 3-betting the turn is correct are just wrong.
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01-03-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Not saying I like the 3-bet, but the people who are saying the river check is inconsistent with the turn 3-bet are just wrong. If you're 3-betting the turn it's because you think AQ/AJ is a huge part of hijack's range, and because lojack has a lot of draws you want to fold out. In case you can't read the board, part of AQ/AJ got there. Some possible lojack hands got there too. And lojack is no longer paying with a missed draw.

The guys that are saying checking the river is wrong if 3-betting the turn is correct are just wrong.
+1 to all of this, IMO. Asmitty could definitely have played this hand well by taking this line w/ this hand.
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01-05-2017 , 10:40 PM
Can someone explain the merits of betting this flop?
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01-05-2017 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Poogs
Can someone explain the merits of betting this flop?
You have the best hand a decent amount of the time and can decide on the turn if you want to keep betting or take a free river.
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01-07-2017 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by asmitty
LJ is an older talkative white guy. He has both a limping and a raising range preflop. He is straightforward post flop but has some spaz in him.

HJ is a nondescript middle aged asian dude.

LJ opens, HJ 3bets, CO folds, I cap AK. Everyone else folds and they call.

Flop T 6 8. They both check, I bet, they both call.

Turn A. They both check, I bet, HJ check raises, CO cold calls, I 3bet, they call.

River J. They both check and I check it back.

I dont like the turn 3bet. From HJs view I think your hand just looks like exactly what it is and hes getting max value with 2 pair (although admittedly I guess the only two pair hand he can reasonably have is A10. And his flop play isnt really consistent with A10). So actually maybe the turn 3bet was good. What ended up happening?
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01-07-2017 , 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Poogs
I dont like the turn 3bet. From HJs view I think your hand just looks like exactly what it is and hes getting max value with 2 pair (although admittedly I guess the only two pair hand he can reasonably have is A10. And his flop play isnt really consistent with A10). So actually maybe the turn 3bet was good. What ended up happening?
LJ had AT and HJ had AJ.
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